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Old 05-26-15, 09:17 PM
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Unusual Bars on My Rescued Gilmour

Tucson's local framebuilder is named Andy Gilmour. Dunno if he's known outside these parts, but he does some quality work. Grabbed this lugged MTB off of CL today for a 700c drop bar gravel grinder build, and it's got these strange bars. Any idea what they might be, other than something worthy of a bike-based Road Warrior rip off?



Oh, and check out that lug. I'll get some decent 'as found' pics in natural light in the morning, as there are some cool details on this sucker; was a custom build for somebody once upon a time, but it fell on very hard times since then. Poor thing.

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Old 05-26-15, 10:36 PM
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Lugged MTB with caliper brakes... I'll definitely be interested in seeing more of this thing.
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Have known Andy for 30+ years and talked to him this Spring at the GABA bike swap meet.
Yup, he's still building nice bikes!
A good find!
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Count me as intrigued. That teaser is an oddity. Original fork? I bet that bike can tell some stories!

No idea on the bars.
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It's possible that Gilmour made the bars as well.
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Agee with JDT. One of the interesting features to look at when attending NAHMB (spell?) are the custom made bars and stems by the builders.
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Old 05-27-15, 07:25 AM
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How long has Gilmour been making bike frames? I have a suspicion you've got a very early proto-MTB, one of those bikes the innovators were making before the industry started making MTB's and MTB-specific components. Looking forward to more photos.....
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I love the lightning-bolt lug. I agree that the stem/bar was probably a custom jobby.
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How long has Gilmour been making bike frames? I have a suspicion you've got a very early proto-MTB, one of those bikes the innovators were making before the industry started making MTB's and MTB-specific components. Looking forward to more photos.....
He's been making frames since 1974. Pics are coming once the battery's charged. An hour or so.

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I love the lightning-bolt lug. I agree that the stem/bar was probably a custom jobby.
He does lots of southwest-indian-inspired lug work. His thunder bird lugs are the coolest; this bike has one of them, although I recall his more recent efforts being more intricate.
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are those 26" wheels? you said 700c conversion correct? Are you sure this wasn't an easrly "hybrid"
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Man. They put this thing through the ringer. Twice at least. But I do see a DuraAce headset, 600 hubs (HB6207) laced to Saturae(?) 26" rims, and a 600 FD. Single speed chainline was achieved by shifting the rear wheel along the axle (who needs their wheels centered, anyway?). Sugino AT cranks with Vuelta chainrings, as-yet unidentified but quality seat post. Old Dia-Compe levers that look indestructible. Brakes aren't worth their weight in spit. RD hanger is intact. No tubing decal, which seems odd. 1" steerer tube. Lots of thrashed paint and surface rust, particularly that fork crown, but it's tough to do real rust damage around here. 56cm TT, 49-50cm ST. Looks like I've got a long-term project!

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are those 26" wheels? you said 700c conversion correct? Are you sure this wasn't an easrly "hybrid"
They are 26"... I saw a lot of clearance and thought I could squeeze some 700s in there, but I just tried the front and it *might* be able to work if I use a 23mm tire, which I ain't gonna do. So it'll stay 26" wheels.
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Wow.

Well, since he's local, I'd take it to Gilmour and see if he can tell you anything. Might be a really good 650b candidate.
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Dam, Dat's COOL!
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looks like a Campagnolo seat post to me.

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@american psycho Indeed it does! I thought those awkward top-mounted bolts looked incorrect and was going to remedy them, but I guess they're as they should be. The post on my Paramount has hex bolts accessible from underneath, which seems much more sensible. But good to know this one is in fact from the same bloodline.
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Cool lugs.
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That is going to be a hella boss project!

Congratulations and good luck with it!!!
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Andy is a super cool guy. His shop is by my house, on 13th street iirc. Its by the Safeway at Broadway and Campbell. If you ever decide to part with it, let me know. Its way cooler than my 85 Trek.
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Andy is a super cool guy. His shop is by my house, on 13th street iirc. Its by the Safeway at Broadway and Campbell. If you ever decide to part with it, let me know. Its way cooler than my 85 Trek.
Yeah, I've been by there a couple of times. Awesome place. I could just poke around in there for hours, "What's this? and this? Hey cool what's this?"
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From Andy Gilmour via email: The bike was built in '84 as a "city cruiser" for a gal who worked in his shop. Straight-gauge 4130 main tubes (makes sense, it's not a superlightweight), Tange forks and stays. He also noted the one-piece bar/stem, describing it as "very unusual," which leads me to believe he didn't create it himself (waiting for clarification on this point).
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From Andy Gilmour via email: The bike was built in '84 as a "city cruiser" for a gal who worked in his shop. Straight-gauge 4130 main tubes (makes sense, it's not a superlightweight), Tange forks and stays. He also noted the one-piece bar/stem, describing it as "very unusual," which leads me to believe he didn't create it himself (waiting for clarification on this point).
Wow. If you have the wherewithal, you should restore it to its former glory. If you don't know what parts were on it originally, I would suggest early-'80's "deer head" Shimano Deore components with Dia-Compe "MX" brake calipers.
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I have a perfect mix of parts for this if you're ever interested. A partial deore touring kit. Deore sp down tube shifters, derailleur and front derailleur.
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Wow. If you have the wherewithal, you should restore it to its former glory. If you don't know what parts were on it originally, I would suggest early-'80's "deer head" Shimano Deore components with Dia-Compe "MX" brake calipers.
I've been thinking about what I'm going to put on here as yes, I intend exactly to restore it to its former glory. And I hadn't thought of the deer head Shimano but I kind of like the idea as all the likely original stuff (headset, wheels, FD) are upper Shimano. Up until now I'd been considering Cyclone. No reason.

The "road warrior" bars are starting to grow on me too; they may well be part of the plan. What's a good thumb shifter from the early 80s?
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What's a good thumb shifter from the early 80s?
I'd go for the Shimano Deore XT shifters, if you can find them. They even have a "retrofriction" mechanism.



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I have a bunch of suntour thumb shifters.
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