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Painted, Decals Gone - Investigating The Unknown...

Old 05-28-15, 01:49 PM
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Painted, Decals Gone - Investigating The Unknown...

A few years ago, my son acquired this old road bicycle, then presented pictures and information asking for identification help on the forums. Full Campy NR, Campy drops, 27.2 seat tube, beautiful workmanship, but an unknown commodity...



Painted with no marking, what so ever, the bicycle became his. The one clue, regarding pedigree, was the original owner's comment that the bicycle was purchased in 1968 and it was a Geoffrey Butler. No proof exists regarding that comment.

But I have been digging and, to the best of my ability determined that the bicycle is a Geoffery Butler, probably of late sixties vintage and most likely built by Cliff Shrubb. Now that is something but something yet to be proven, however; Cliff did, indeed, as one forum member mentioned, build bicycles for Geoffrey Butler and he (Cliff) would have been doing so in the late sixties. Cliff was also noted for his use of the seat lug that is featured on my bicycle...



Anyway, I was kind of hoping that restating my interest, a year or two later, might glean some help from someone who knows something, that I don't know. I do want to build this bicycle up, but not until I feel comfortable that I know what it is I am building.

So, if anyone has a clue, or two, clue me in, please.
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Randy, it sounds like you've pretty much solved the mystery already. If the original owner said it's a Geoffrey Butler, and it looks like a Geoffrey Butler, why would you doubt him/her? That's not a name that everyone's heard, even amongst cycling enthusiasts. And if you can pin it down to the actual person who built it, well then you're doing better than me with any of my bikes. For more info I would get in touch with Hilary Stone, Hugh Thornton, and some of the other knowledgeable folks in England.
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Originally Posted by kroozer View Post
Randy, it sounds like you've pretty much solved the mystery already. If the original owner said it's a Geoffrey Butler, and it looks like a Geoffrey Butler, why would you doubt him/her? That's not a name that everyone's heard, even amongst cycling enthusiasts. And if you can pin it down to the actual person who built it, well then you're doing better than me with any of my bikes. For more info I would get in touch with Hilary Stone, Hugh Thornton, and some of the other knowledgeable folks in England.
+1 Sounds like you have it sir! And, as knowledgeable as you are...there are not many that would question you!
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Looks like the same lugs as what's on my '71 Raleigh Professional, though with the fastback stays. You've dealt with more Raleighs than most everyone here, so if it were some strange variant, you would have figured it out by the serial number. I mention this only because I think this corroborates the '68 date. Frankly, unless Hilary or Norris Lockley were to confidently weigh in, I would go with what you were told.

Just a thought here - if Geoffrey Butler serial numbers have a known pattern, you might get one more data point to help nail things down by cross-checking their scheme to the bike's serial.
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Randy it is identical to my Geoffrey Butler. I purchased this as the second owner in 1974 the original owner stated he purchased it new in 1969. I am considering restoring it. I logged many miles on it for more than 20 years.
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Randy it is identical to my Geoffrey Butler. I purchased this as the second owner in 1974 the original owner stated he purchased it new in 1969. I am considering restoring it. I logged many miles on it for more than 20 years.

I am having a hard time figuring out the head tube/fork on this bike. What is the geometry here?
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randyjawa, it looks like it's finally time to source those decals.
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Wow and thank you so much! I cannot help but agree as your frame/fork set does look to be identical. Sorry to have to admit that I missed the response to my posted interest until now. Looks like I have another viable project.

At last, I can move forward with this bike and long have I wanted to do so. One question, though...

What does the serial number look like. Mine is stamped on the out side of the non-drive side rear drop. This one silly feature had me confused for a long time.

To that add that the vintage estimate, 1968 seems to be on the money also, however, my serial number is a bit longer than the one on the GB...
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Mine also is stamped on the out side of the non-drive side rear drop. If you look at the pictures in my last post the serial number is 2027 on my frame and it is stamped on the lower portion of the dropout.(Below the axle slot)
The number stamps used look to be the same also (Same font)
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@itsnotyou - thanks for this. Long have I wanted to know what I had and I had little intention of selling the set, although it did cross my mind. I did hate the thought of selling because the workmanship on the frame set is very good. An experienced and caring builder built my frame set.

Aside from the color, it looks like the seat clamp bolts are the same, also. I thought that, perhaps, mine had been a replacement, due to its industrial appearance...


Does your frame have the grease fitting on the bb underside..?
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Mine does not have the grease fitting on the bottom, but other than that I would say they are the identical bike. I am getting the bug to restore mine also.
I am trying to decide if I should update the frame for modern components?
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