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Old 05-29-15, 03:36 PM
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Lugged Japanese Bianchi - latest models?

I've got this thing for lugged hybrid bikes like the US-made Trek 750 and others from the late 80's/early 90s. Versatile, take wide tires, and generally fly under the radar on CL. I just picked up this Bianchi Boardwalk for $50
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Yea it's rough, but has potential. I was originally thinking around 1989, but combination of serial number which begins "H2...", and Shimano components with 0J and 0i are making me think 1992 more likely. Drivetrain and brakes are Shimano Altus, which from what I can find was introduced in 1993 (or maybe 92?)

My question - the bike doesn't say Made in Japan, but I suspect it was. I had a 1990 lugged Bianchi Osprey MTB that said made in Japan, so Bianchi kept MTB production there later than most, and I have a 93 Bridgestone MB-3 that's a lugged Japanese frame. I know most production of this level was in Taiwan at this time, but I personally have yet to find a lugged production Taiwan frame - they were all TIG-ed weren't they? How late in the game were production lugged frames still being made in Japan for mass market export?

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Giant made a ton of lugged frames in Taiwan as did others. KHS is another that made lugged steel in Taiwan.

Given the drive train, I would have guessed the bike was made in Taiwan. Once you outsource production, as Bianchi did, you were not tied to a legacy factory in Japan (think Bridgestone, Panasonic, and a few others). Much easier to make a break and save some serious $$.

FWIW, several of Rivendell's lugged steel frames are made in, you guessed it, Taiwan.....

From Rivendell's web site:

"Made in Taiwan
Frame, fork, headset: $1,250. Complete bike, add $1,300 for a killer standard parts kit, minus saddle.
Models: Sam Hillborne, Cheviot.
Let me be as clear as I can be about this. The words, "Made in Taiwan" come out of the mouth with a ghost apology attached. We all sense that. The reality is that the hand-built, MADE IN TAIWAN Rivendell frames are better made—we believe & with good reason—than 99 percent of the custom frames of the world. The design is ours, and that is gooooood. We don't shortcut any design details. The investment castings (lugs, fork crown, dropouts) are ours & lovely & the same quality as on our customs. The frames are brazed by experts with more brazing experience than almost anybody in America, and the job is not rushed. The quality control inspections are fanatical, and we simply don't ever see a flub-up.
These "standard production models" are, we feel, not only the best value in our line, but in the land. If you like our colors and don't need a wacky braze-on somewhere, by all means rule OUT a Made In Taiwan Rivendell before you move up the price pole."

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Old 05-29-15, 04:07 PM
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Reference from another forum, Boardwalk made in Taiwan:

Need some data on older Bianchis
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Wrk101,
Thanks for that and the link to the other thread. Makes sense. Actually, there's a little label at the bottom of the head tube that's illegible, but I'll check closer when I'm home. I'll bet it says (said) made in Taiwan. And I actually knew - but had forgotten - about the Riv Taiwan connection. I'm actually going to be selling several bikes this summer to try to build up the fund for my wife's new bike - a lugged Taiwan-made Rivendell Cheviot. Irony!
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The decal would certainly put this as '92 or newer. '92 had Suntour and the '94 introduce the Super lug frames so this must be a '93.

What is with the hole in the seattube?
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"What is with the hole in the seattube?"

Bianchigirl - I wish I knew. Drilled clear through the seat tube and the seat post.
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"What is with the hole in the seattube?"

Bianchigirl - I wish I knew. Drilled clear through the seat tube and the seat post.
Wonder if their seatpost kept slipping and they put a bolt through the works to lock it in place.
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Originally Posted by mtmann View Post
"What is with the hole in the seattube?"

Bianchigirl - I wish I knew. Drilled clear through the seat tube and the seat post.
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Wonder if their seatpost kept slipping and they put a bolt through the works to lock it in place.
I was thinking that perhaps it was a simple seat theft deterrent.
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My 1992 Miyata Triplecross is lugged and it was made in Taiwan.
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I was thinking that perhaps it was a simple seat theft deterrent.
I lean more towards theft deterrent. The diameter is too small to put much of a bolt in there, but maybe a skinny cable. It does have a quick-release seat post binder bolt, but certainly nothing special about the crappy Avenir seat and generic post. Still, there are other clues. The top tube has a lot of surface scratches, though most of the
rest of the bike, including BB and drive-side chainstay are scratch free. To me that indicates the bike was locked up a lot with a chain around the top tube. AND the guy I bought the bike from had purchased it without a front wheel, which seems to indicate it had been stolen. I'm guessing the owner before the guy I bought it from was regularly locking it up in a sketchy area and instead of replacing the quick-release seatpost binder bolt, drilled the seattube and post and ran a skinny cable through it.
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Is the hole 100% through the tube, or just one side?

I was thinking something more like putting a wood screw into the hole. Not "secure"... but it would slow down any would-be thief.

Of course, it depends on where and when the bike is locked. I saw a bike the other day... all that was left was the main frame, crankset, and chain, and the LOCK. I bet the cranks disappear soon.
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Is the hole 100% through the tube, or just one side?
All the way through seat tube AND seatpost.
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I got this Boardwalk off CL and optimized the fit to accommodate my comfort and stature. I'm a sucker for early 90's chrome moly cross bikes, or hybrids, in the modern parlance. After being subjected years of misuse as a college knock-around, mine needed a set of brake/shifters, riser bars, grips, cables, pedals, a sprung seat, (both) stems, and 700X35 tires as well. Though they were newly bought prior to selling, the Innova tires were perceptively slow, a handicap that was quickly remedied by the application of another set of cheap, but satisfactory Duro whitewalls. The white-colored theme directed my inspiration for this build (see chainstay sticker), save for the purple riser bar that complimented the graphics. Most of the parts I sourced were gently used. I found the geometry to be different from prior cross bikes I've built. This one had a shorter crossbar by a full inch, which renders it a comfortable, if more upright town bike. Lucky I'm not a stickler for premium components, so the Shimano 200 GS derailleurs, and the Biospace triple chainring are no cause for concern.
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