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Old 05-31-15, 05:46 AM
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Nice sport frame recommendations

I'm looking for a frame to build up for my dad. He's starting to get some back pain from the aluminum beer can he's been riding around on 23cm tires. I'm looking for something steel with relaxed geometry and ample tire clearance, new enough to take recessed brakes, modern spaced hubs (126 OLD to cold set to 130 would be ok, too). I'm not looking for a full on touring frame -- it needs to be pretty zippy, thus my preference for a sport touring type bike. He's also a weight weenie, so frame weight is important.

Given those considerations, I'm leaning toward a Japanese frame, but I confess my total ignorance toward those manufacturers' model line ups. Any help?
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Old 05-31-15, 06:15 AM
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Please define ample tire clearance. That seems to be the Achiles heel of a lot of otherwise pretty great Japanese frames.
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I've got a 1988 Trek 400 that meets all those requirements. True Temper butted main tubes, Cromo fork & stays, clears 28s with fenders or 32s without, 126 OLD (130 slides in without much effort), recessed front brake, nutted rear (drill the back to make it recessed), 47-57 reach caliper brakes. I just wished it was my size but it seems to fit most lady friends well enough so that's probably even better.

I have a Soma ES that does the same thing but that's a new bike.
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Looking to put on at least 32cm tires. I thought about Trek, but most of their sport frames are heavier than I had in mind. My 600 had 531 main tubes, but manga alloy fork and stays.
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Old 05-31-15, 06:36 AM
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Does he still want drop bars?
Has he tried the sport hybrids, like a Trek FX 7.3? Fast, upright, and wide tires. Comfy.
What size frame and top tube?
With caliper brakes on a vintage frame, tires would be limited to 28mm in most cases, unless you bought a frame set up for 27" tires.

I would be looking for a mid 1980's Trek, Miyata, or Schwinn. Ishiwata, 501, 531, True Temper, Tenax, SL are all nice riders.
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Yes, his ego demands drops.

57-58cm square
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Old 05-31-15, 06:42 AM
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The answer is, as always, Miyata.
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Originally Posted by Italuminium View Post
The answer is, as always, Miyata.
I thought that too, but what's the rhyme/reason to the Miyata model numbering?
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I've had a couple Miyata 710's pass through. Great bikes but I don't think they'd fit larger than 28 mm tires. Same with the Panasonic DX-3000 I had. Sweet riding bike though.
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1982 Trek road racer with new tires

i'd pay $275 for the above as a rider.

Looks more like a 56, but priced great.
http://stlouis.craigslist.org/bik/5029725275.html

i also have a spare 1987 Schwinn Prelude frame in the size you need.

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Originally Posted by icepick_trotsky View Post
I thought that too, but what's the rhyme/reason to the Miyata model numbering?
Over here in Yurp we don't do alphanumericals for the Miyata range, so I wouldn't know, maybe one of the resident US Miyata fans can point you to the equivalent of the Gents Lux range.

Beautiful, sporty frames.

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If you go back to the 70's you will have no trouble with tire clearances. A Bob Jackson or Holdsworth. I see them on ebay at reasonable prices.
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Old 05-31-15, 07:43 AM
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While you're money-up going for an older steel frame, don't fail to consider new. Steel frames that meet your criteria are still being made, usually as complete bikes. The generic Taiwan made 525 steel sport-touring frame as sold by the QBP borg (All-City, Surly), Schwinn (LeTour Classic and Slicker), and Merry Sales (Soma) all meet your criteria. Additionally, the Masi line has the Masi Bikes - Framesets beautiful Gran Criterium that might meet your criteria.

If you're going for an older steel frame, the best value out there is probably a Tenax Schwinn. I've fit 28's without fenders on my daughter's Super Sport and judicious fender surgery would make 28 plus fenders possible; 25s and fenders are an easy fit. Raliegh's post 1980 SuperCourse would also fit the bill and won't have those proprietary threadings.

Your'e lucky in the fact that you're going for a common size (57 square) as opposed to a female gymnast or NBA player sized frames.

I'd highly recommend you contact WRK101 as he has most of the steel frames east of the Mississippi in his lair and might just be in a dealing mood.

As an interim, try a few comfort tricks with his existing bike. As a decrepit bastard with back pain courtesy of Hezbollah, I've got to say that Continental 28's and a Selle AnAtomica saddle really, really made the difference for me. A Thudbuster ST seatpost and replacement steel or carbon fork will also tame the buzz that an aluminum frame/fork on chipseal roads can deliver.

However, all my advice and about three bucks will get you a cup of coffee and a lecture about race at Starbucks.

Good luck. Your quest is an easy one, so you won't likely need it.

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A Masi with Reynolds tubing? Has the world gone mad?
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Originally Posted by icepick_trotsky View Post
A Masi with Reynolds tubing? Has the world gone mad?
More like Haro (the BMX folks) bought the Masi intellectual property rights in North America. Frame's probably made by Merida or one of the other Taiwanese production houses and probably has tighter quality control than the California or Italian models.
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As much as I like some of the sport touring Trek frames, some of them have pretty minimal clearance for larger tires. On my 87 '560 it was a real bear to try and squeeze in some 28s. I'd definitely shoot for something Japanese. Panasonic, Miyata, Tenax Schwinn, Univega or maybe a Centurion, though I'm not sure about their clearance.
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Lots of Japanese manufacturers made bikes with sport touring geometry and cromo frames from the late 70s through the 80s. One of my favorites is the Fuji S12-S. The one I had I ran with 700c wheels and 32mm tires, and there was still ample room for fenders or wider tires as it was originally spec'd for 27" wheels (and that conversion to 700c did not require finding brakes with crazy long reach--I ran standard reach SunTour Superbe brakes).
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A sport touring bike isn't so much an "style of bike" as it is a design attitude towards riding. Endurance is the other name for the category.

I'd get him a Lemond. You should be able to find one that fits in the right vintage.
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Originally Posted by icepick_trotsky View Post
A Masi with Reynolds tubing? Has the world gone mad?
Almost all Carlsbad built Masi bikes had Reynolds tubing, so did many Vigorelli made ones. It appears a batch of Reynolds was purchased and until used up, that is what was used.

I don't think the new production Gran Criteriums will accept much over a 28 tire.
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There is nothing heavy about a late 80s Trek 300 or 400. They fit the bill of what you're looking for perfectly.
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Originally Posted by oddjob2 View Post
1982 Trek road racer with new tires

i'd pay $275 for the above as a rider.

Looks more like a 56, but priced great.
panasonic dx4000 bicycle

i also have a spare 1987 Schwinn Prelude frame in the size you need.
+1 That Panasonic is a great deal and I agree about the size. This DX-3000 was 55 c-c.


Another frame to consider is an RRB. I had one of them, too small unfortunately, and have nothing but praise. Can't quite remember the brake arrangement. I used nutted. The rear had a bushing insert so I believe it was drilled for recessed, but I don't think the fork was drilled.

Are nutted brakes a deal-breaker? If you could live with them, you'd have many more options, eg. 1970's Raleighs.
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Originally Posted by icepick_trotsky View Post
I'm looking for a frame to build up for my dad. He's starting to get some back pain from the aluminum beer can he's been riding around on 23cm tires. I'm looking for something steel with relaxed geometry and ample tire clearance, new enough to take recessed brakes, modern spaced hubs (126 OLD to cold set to 130 would be ok, too). I'm not looking for a full on touring frame -- it needs to be pretty zippy, thus my preference for a sport touring type bike. He's also a weight weenie, so frame weight is important.

Given those considerations, I'm leaning toward a Japanese frame, but I confess my total ignorance toward those manufacturers' model line ups. Any help?
Why not define the size you want and post in the WTB? This forum is full of praises for Japanese marques of all types, it's hard to buy a bad one and easy to buy a great one. If he's a weight weenie, look for Ishwata 019/022 tubes. Everything thing else can be bought for a price,.

Just a thought.
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