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Old 06-07-15, 05:10 PM
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Holdsworth Special 650B Tourer

A winter project that is slowly becoming finalized. I am aiming to do the Pittsburgh - DC rail trail with some friends in August, and am building this with that in mind - the bottom bracket drop and tire clearance made it a good candidate. It's a ca 1980 Holdsworth Special I picked up on DC CL. I will be sorting out a lower front bag that will attach to the rack, and trimming the cables, but otherwise it's pretty close to done. I tried out the Cambium for the first time this morning, and I think it's a keeper.
It's got quite an international set of components:
Avocet Cranks
Stronglight headset,
Shimano 600 SIS RD, Light Action 7sp shifters, Dura Ace cassette, and tricolor hubs.
Suntour Superbe brake levers and FD
Weinmann Calipers
Campy 2-bolt Record seat post
GB bars
IRD stem
VO 650B Diagonale rims, bell, fenders, and front rack
Blackburn rear rack (came with the bike)
Panaracer Col de la Vie tires
Brooks C17 seat






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I really like this...great combo of beauty and utility.
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Eclectically practical build. Looks like one that will eat up the miles in some comfort.
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Nice work.
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This is sweet. I wouldn't mind picking up a frame to do a 650b conversion like this. I know I really like my '93 b'stone xo-2 with 26 x 1.5 tires a lot. It's a reasonably fast bike that is really comfortable over long distances. I'm looking forward to reading the ride reports on this.
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Really nice, I especially dig those cranks.
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Looks like fun.
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Beautiful build. I'm surprised you can run a triple crank on the rd, looks like a short cage. Did you have to do anything extra to get it to shift properly? Or is it actually long cage?
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I've ridden the Cumberland, MD to DC section of that route three times. One thing to be aware of is that after any sort of a front passes through, a lot of small branches fall out of the trees and litter the trail. They can get caught between tire and mud guard, especially if clearance is tight. I think that in every other regard, you've set up a very fine, practical and comfortable rider, and I think you'll have a pleasant and memorable journey.
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The Holdsworth "Special" first appeared in the 1978 catalog, as a whole bike:


Evidently it replaced the "531 Special" that appeared in the 1975-6 catalogs as a frame only:

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I got a strangely modified "531 Special" frame at last year's Cirque du Cyclisme in Leesburg and built it up as a 650b tourer as well:




But I now have it set up as a randonneuring bike. OP will recognize the crank. It fits Hetre tires, just barely, with Tektro long-reach dual pivot brakes.

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Originally Posted by rhm
Now that is tight fender clearances - mine are 700c fenders with 650B tires so sticks shouldn't pose too much of a threat. Glad that crank found a really nice home.

An on gearing, I too was surprised the 600 med/short RD could handle the triple, but the rear cluster is something like 13-25 - I figured rail trails will have moderate grade hills, so closer ratios might be nice for a longer trip.
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If I had space or budget for just one bicycle, it would be something like that. A classic touring bike or a cross bike is the best all-round compromise. Very nice!

I applaud you choice of a relatively tight cog progression in back. My last road triple build was a half-step-plus-bailout 48-45-34/13-15-17-19-21-24, which worked fine -- admittedly with no margin for slop -- with a short cage SunTour Cyclone II rear derailleur. When I changed my mountain bike from a 7-speed freewheel to an 8-speed cassette I went with 48-40-24/12-13-15-17-19-21-24-28, which has the largest gaps I would want in back. (The top two chainrings provide 1.5-step gearing, so I can fill in the 15-17, 17-19, 19-21, and 21-24 gaps by double-shifting.)
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Originally Posted by jeirvine
Now that is tight fender clearances - mine are 700c fenders with 650B tires so sticks shouldn't pose too much of a threat. Glad that crank found a really nice home.

An on gearing, I too was surprised the 600 med/short RD could handle the triple, but the rear cluster is something like 13-25 - I figured rail trails will have moderate grade hills, so closer ratios might be nice for a longer trip.
After you hit Cumberland, if you stick on the trail, you'll be heading very slightly downhill. Your only "hills" will be coming to locks or roads, or if you go off the trail to see some of what's nearby.
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Originally Posted by jeirvine
A winter project that is slowly becoming finalized. I am aiming to do the Pittsburgh - DC rail trail with some friends in August, and am building this with that in mind - the bottom bracket drop and tire clearance made it a good candidate. It's a ca 1980 Holdsworth Special I picked up on DC CL. I will be sorting out a lower front bag that will attach to the rack, and trimming the cables, but otherwise it's pretty close to done. I tried out the Cambium for the first time this morning, and I think it's a keeper.
It's got quite an international set of components:
Avocet Cranks
Stronglight headset,
Shimano 600 SIS RD, Light Action 7sp shifters, Dura Ace cassette, and tricolor hubs.
Suntour Superbe brake levers and FD
Weinmann Calipers
Campy 2-bolt Record seat post
GB bars
IRD stem
VO 650B Diagonale rims, bell, fenders, and front rack
Blackburn rear rack (came with the bike)
Panaracer Col de la Vie tires
Brooks C17 seat

I like it! I'm surprised that you went with CdlV's, considering the other options for 650B tires -- how do you like them? (I also use them, but am always interested in other people's take.)

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Beautiful build. I'm surprised you can run a triple crank on the rd, looks like a short cage. Did you have to do anything extra to get it to shift properly? Or is it actually long cage?
You can get away with pushing the capacity on a short-cage RD if you run a tight cassette with your triple and avoid the small-small combos. I've considered the same on my rando bike: a 50/39/30 triple with 13-14-15-17-19-21-24 cassette would put me 3T over the rated capacity of my 1056 RD, but as long as I didn't use the granny with the 13-15T cogs, it'd be happy as a clam.
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I've been riding it (unloaded) on some pretty hilly 40-50 milers, and the gearing seems to work fine. The main thing to fine tune is the seat position - tilt and setback, and stem height. I'm not worried about having the legs for the trip, as much as keeping my arms, back and sitbones happy. The Cambium seems to need a little less tilt than the leather Brooks B17/Pros I normally ride.

And I did very little research on tires before buying the Col de Vies. They seemed close to the Paselas I'm familiar with on some of my 700c/27" bikes, and the price was right. tread seemed decent for the rail trail surfaces. I do want to find a folding tire to carry as a spare, if anyone has any suggestions.
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And I only used the 600 RD because it came with the bike, and I didn't have any longer-caged SIS RD's around. I may throw a VxS on it and see how it indexes.
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Originally Posted by jeirvine
And I only used the 600 RD because it came with the bike, and I didn't have any longer-caged SIS RD's around. I may throw a VxS on it and see how it indexes.
Hey, if it works, I think it looks more savvy to use a short-cage. Just as long as you don't bozo the chain length.
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Originally Posted by jeirvine
... I do want to find a folding tire to carry as a spare, if anyone has any suggestions.
The main thing I'd suggest, to that point, is yes: carry a folding tire. One of my Col de la Vie tires blew out through the sidewall on the last day of my tour last August; the tire had less than 600 miles on it and the side wall tore away from the bead without warning. Luckily I was sitting on a park bench at the time; I could have been tearing down a hill at 35 mph. I don't know why it did this... but it makes me wary. I had a Grand Bois Lierre tire in my pannier, so we were on our way soon enough. Otherwise... I shudder to think about it.
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The serial number, for the record, is 033676. And the BB shell also has an (EW) oval mark.
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just came over from the Holdsworth Serial# thread (my number is slightly later than yours) and figured i'd say: nicely done! I am planning to turn my mistral into a day tripper and might have to steal some style (and utility) points from the examples in this thread.

mine was set up with avocet cranks and supurbe brakes/fd as well: maybe that was the style at the time. campy rd and shifters though..

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most handsome!

thanks for sharing this excellent project.

how much lowering of bb height do you calculate the conversion to 650 created?

those calipers are really at their extremis!
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What a very nice bike! I love the "franken-build" on this one. @jeirvine ...think you could have chosen an even more eclectic set of components??? But...I love it! And...as you have pointed out in subsequent posts, it all works well together!

Also...love the look and style! As for the 650B's...great choice there as well...I love the way my XO-1 rides with that size wheels!

Great job!
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I have not measured the actual BB height difference, but just doing the math, it went from 700c x 25mm tires to 650B 38mm tires. There's 19 mm radius difference in BSD, minus the 13 mm tire difference = 6mm lower. I have had no issues with 175 mm cranks, (though I'd prefer some 172.5s if anyone's holding.)

Since the pics were taken I've gone on a shakedown ride with fully loaded panniers. I've switched back to a B17 - the Cambium is alright for shorter rides, but the cantle plate was a few mm more forward than the B17, so not quite as much real estate for sit bones. And I now have a VO decaleur and front bag, which works great. Next Tuesday it will hopefully take me from DC to Pittsburgh.
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post some pics along the way-
though i have a hard time believing you will make it from DC to Pittsburgh in one day....
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