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Old 06-16-15, 08:52 AM
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My Kvale Criterium for sure.

Hold on tight, it's a rocket.

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My son's Della Santa as well.

Fun stuff, but unbelievably smooth on longer jaunts as well.

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Old 06-16-15, 09:43 AM
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I thought the tight Italian road racing geometry was started by some of the artisan builders like Masi, Colnago, and De Rosa about 1970, spread from there to the rest of Italy, and by the 80's was pretty much standard world-wide.
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Originally Posted by Trakhak View Post
Steeper frame angles, shorter-rake fork, shorter wheelbase, slightly smaller frame size, suited to the sprint-centered racing the Italians were known for, versus French race bike geometry (aka stage race geometry).
Plenty of Italian race bikes that don't have those attributes.
Very era dependent.
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Old 06-16-15, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by kroozer View Post
I thought the tight Italian road racing geometry was started by some of the artisan builders like Masi, Colnago, and De Rosa about 1970, spread from there to the rest of Italy, and by the 80's was pretty much standard world-wide.
That leaves a lot out. But, the 80's trend of short and steep did flourish in Italy and was copied widely.
Prior to the 80's there was more divergence between Italian builders.
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Got mine with pre-trashed paint, so got mine re-done in a different color scheme, so it is a stealth team pro. I second Ed's assessment. It's a nimble rocketship for the Gods. If you have a look at Non-Fixie's thread you'll see a multi-time World Road champion of that era looking wistfully at one.



I have a Bob Jackson with similar geometry that rides pretty close to the same.

Really, it's more about the geometry, weight, quality of build and components. The location of manufacture is just a neat distraction.
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Old 06-16-15, 12:21 PM
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Nearly every brand has made racing bikes.
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Old 06-16-15, 12:30 PM
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That paint job is incredible. Your bike, Lynn?

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Old 06-17-15, 06:40 AM
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Looks great Rob. I would love to one day get a true race frame with a number hanger.
A Team Miyata should have that number hanger you are looking for.
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Old 06-17-15, 06:55 AM
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That paint job is incredible. Your bike, Lynn?
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Mid-80's Team Fuji.
I had an 85 Team Fuji. Can't get more mid 80's than that. It rode nice, but didn't give me the confident handling that my 85 Trek 770 gives me. Smooth though.



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Originally Posted by sloar View Post
Looks great Rob. I would love to one day get a true race frame with a number hanger.
I have a late 80's Concorde Aquila in team PDM colors (of course it's a team replica as I think they were racing on bikes badged the next level up), which kind of fits your rules as it was a Dutch company. Of course it was built in Italy. Most of their road frames of that era (including mine) came with a number hanger. I'd be lying if I said that wasn't one of the appeals of the frame.
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Old 06-17-15, 08:13 AM
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I believe this qualifies, as it is a race frame and certainly isn't Italian. Of course, @3speedslow already mentioned Gazelle:

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Serotta.
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I'd love to see it in person some time. We should organize another STL CV ride, since I missed the last one.
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Eddy Merckx. ... Nuff said.
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Nearly every brand has made racing bikes.
And most countries that have produced bikes have produced racing bikes.
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And most countries that have produced bikes have produced racing bikes.
Right on. Even Huffy.
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Right on. Even Huffy.
And fine bikes they were!
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Ok, pics. My '86 Trek 760 Pro Series. Full 531c, Campy drivetrain, ready to race.

Maybe underrated due to the USA emblem.

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How about good ol' USA? Just purchased this Breezer Venturi frame set, it's modern race geometry. I'm not going to spend the time to go into all the details, but back in 2012 when it came out and was tested by most of the popular bike magazines the verdict was unanimous: "The first hydroformed, heat-treated, chromoly road frame in existence,
the new Venturi is the most advanced steel racing frame in the world." That was 2012, three years ago, I'm not sure if it still is the most advanced steel racing frame, but still... just wanted to give a nudge to something here from the states. Having said that, I still love the Italian race frames, old and new, but as the Title of this thread says; non-Italian race frames, Breezer is one I've done a ton of research on before buying, and it's a great offering from Breezer.
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How about good ol' USA? Just purchased this Breezer Venturi frame set, it's modern race geometry. I'm not going to spend the time to go into all the details, but back in 2012 when it came out and was tested by most of the popular bike magazines the verdict was unanimous: "The first hydroformed, heat-treated, chromoly road frame in existence,
the new Venturi is the most advanced steel racing frame in the world." That was 2012, three years ago, I'm not sure if it still is the most advanced steel racing frame, but still... just wanted to give a nudge to something here from the states. Having said that, I still love the Italian race frames, old and new, but as the Title of this thread says; non-Italian race frames, Breezer is one I've done a ton of research on before buying, and it's a great offering from Breezer.
Move heard nothing but good reviews about Breezer
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where i can found race geometry bike. i want built one steel lighweight bike. Or i say better i want built two racing bikes one aluminum one steel. What frames is good for that
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where i can found race geometry bike. i want built one steel lighweight bike. Or i say better i want built two racing bikes one aluminum one steel. What frames is good for that
These two should take care of your urges.



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Lynn,

I miss that de Reus....
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