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Old 04-22-05, 07:01 PM
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Raleigh frame Question

I found a 'aesthetically rough' but sound except for the rubber tires Raleigh Super Gran Prix this past weekend at a garage sale. $3

Problem was the frame is WAY too big for me probably a 62 or more. I'm a 56-58. I sense chances of finding a super gran prix frame are slim to none, and am not a 'frame to bike' builder but would like to try to build a touring bike. What raleigh frame model (if I can find one in a 56-58) would work for these components (if I can find one)?

Appreciate any info.
I can post the components if needed but figured most of you folks would already know.

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Old 04-22-05, 07:30 PM
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Without seeing a picture of the bike, I'd say any Raleigh road frame (except Internationals and Professionals) from 1977 on should work. That's the year Raleigh changed over from the French-made Nervar and Stronglight to Japanese Sugino components, such as those on your GP. Older frames would have incompatible bottom bracket threads.
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Originally Posted by Red Baron
I found a 'aesthetically rough' but sound except for the rubber tires Raleigh Super Gran Prix this past weekend at a garage sale. $3

Problem was the frame is WAY too big for me probably a 62 or more. I'm a 56-58. I sense chances of finding a super gran prix frame are slim to none, and am not a 'frame to bike' builder but would like to try to build a touring bike. What raleigh frame model (if I can find one in a 56-58) would work for these components (if I can find one)?

Appreciate any info.
I can post the components if needed but figured most of you folks would already know.

Thanks.
The Super Grand Prix is/was sort of a compromise between a Raleigh Grand Prix (The frame), and a Raleigh Super Course (most of the components). Either type of frame (Grand Prix or Super Course) should work fine with the bits you've got there. If possible, I'd lean towards the Super Course because it has the better frame and because the '77 & '78 models came with the narrow 700c Weinmann rims which I'm presuming are what you have on there. The Grand Prix came with 1-1/4" rims, which I think are 27" - which means you may, or may not be able to transplant the brake calipers.
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Originally Posted by mswantak
WiThat's the year Raleigh changed over from the French-made Nervar and Stronglight to Japanese Sugino components, such as those on your GP. Older frames would have incompatible bottom bracket threads.
I don't have a pre-'77 Raleigh, but the bottom bracket should be compatible... English 68mm. I'm speculating a bit on your thought here, but French cranksets work on English bottom brackets.
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I was assuming they changed the BB threads from British to metric when they switched to Sugino cranks. It's entirely possible that I'm talking out of my nether regions.
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Originally Posted by mswantak
Without seeing a picture of the bike, I'd say any Raleigh road frame (except Internationals and Professionals) from 1977 on should work. That's the year Raleigh changed over from the French-made Nervar and Stronglight to Japanese Sugino components, such as those on your GP. Older frames would have incompatible bottom bracket threads.
The Nervar/Stronglight/Sugino crank question is irrelevant to the BB threads, which have always been English/ISO 1.37x24 since the early 1960s. See Sheldon's website for discussion of the 1.37x26 threading found on older English roadsters, which are the only exception of which I am aware. The bottom line is that Raleighs have NEVER had metric bottom bracket threading.
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Thanks all for the info (even if I am confused on BB). My Super Gran Prix does indeed have 700C weinmann rims, Brakes says 'Raleigh 610 weinmann' and are 'pull cable type' (hope I said that right). Bar end shifter's and the part that holds the ends of the cable were the down tube shifters should be are marked 'suntour' . Brakes are 'dia compe' and the only braze on the frame are those that hold cables 4 on tope tube, 1 near rear derailler. I was surprised to see no (zero) water bottle clamps or braze-ons.
The frame has a decal that says 'Tour De France TI (eye or one?) Team winner & 1977'. Deraillers are marked raleigh. Cranks are SR in back (also marked Raleigh in front)
The frame is a 24.5 " (62cm?) Centerline to CL

Unless I hear otherwise, I'll be on the lookout for a super course frame my size. THANKS AGAIN.
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Originally Posted by Red Baron
Thanks all for the info (even if I am confused on BB). My Super Gran Prix does indeed have 700C weinmann rims, Brakes says 'Raleigh 610 weinmann' and are 'pull cable type' (hope I said that right). Bar end shifter's and the part that holds the ends of the cable were the down tube shifters should be are marked 'suntour' . Brakes are 'dia compe' and the only braze on the frame are those that hold cables 4 on tope tube, 1 near rear derailler. I was surprised to see no (zero) water bottle clamps or braze-ons.
The frame has a decal that says 'Tour De France TI (eye or one?) Team winner & 1977'. Deraillers are marked raleigh. Cranks are SR in back (also marked Raleigh in front)
The frame is a 24.5 " (62cm?) Centerline to CL

Unless I hear otherwise, I'll be on the lookout for a super course frame my size. THANKS AGAIN.
FYI, That is the letter "I" - TI stands/stood for Tube Industries. They owned the tube-maker, Reynolds and the bicycle maker, Raleigh (which in turn had bought up several other marques through the '60's and '70's). They sponsored a Bicycle racing team that had a good year in 1977, and outstanding years in 1978 & 1979.

I have a 1978 Super Course, and if I could, I would add water bottle braze-ons. The clamp-ons do work, but don't look near as nice.
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