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Old 08-04-15, 07:35 PM
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Marinoni Special - Find of the year?

Picked this bike up about a week ago at this point, didn't need a bike in the least, but N+1 and all that jazz. Got an *AMAZING* deal on it. I bought it from a father, who bought this bike for his son 6 years ago. The son recently got a new Cannondale, and decided this one wasn't worth the room it was taking up, so into my hands it landed.

A few blurry, non drive side pics were exchanged and I decided to go check it out on my lunch break. Much to my suprise this thing is almost MINT. Small scratch on the top tube is the only paint imperfection on the whole bike. Columbus SLX tubing, Dura Ace shifters, derailleurs, crankset, brakes, hubs, seatpost (), with a Cinelli bar/stem combo... What is not to love? Chain came lubed, all the shifting works great, and the tires looked almost new.

I paid the man his price, and brought it home. Put about 50 miles total on it between a commute and a long ride and this thing is awesome. Frame fit is identical to my daily Bianchi, but fit is a touch different due to classic bend bars (I REALLY like the Soma Hwy One's on my Bianchi, Flat Ramps are a godsend) and a 10mm longer stem on the Marinoni. This will be addressed in the future (will likely start with a stem, then maybe change up the bars if that doesn't do the trick) but for now I will deal with the reach as it is my alternate alternate bike.

Does ANYONE have any information about these things? I could not find much online, and have no idea about the year of manufacture. Was this a stock frameset, or a custom build for someone? Anything?



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Marinoni is a fantastic bike. The founder, Guiseppe Marinoni was a racer in Italy and came to Canada in the 1960s; eventually he opened his own shop up in Montreal, making steel bikes to order. They did both stock frames, built up with whatever components the buyer wanted, and custom frames for individuals.

Guiseppe is 76 now, and still makes his steel frames to order by hand (although the company now also offers carbon fiber frames made in Taiwan). Last year Guiseppe also set the hour record in a velodrome for those 75+.

The Marinoni website is here:

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There is also a documentary about him; you can find the link here:

www.marinonimovie.com
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He's a pretty well known Canadian builder...he has a shop north of Montreal. He's not really low production...you definitely see a fair number of his bikes around. He has a solid reputation and makes good stuff. He's moved over to CF...I'm not sure if he still even makes steel. Looks like a nice bike with a reasonably clean Dura Ace 8sp 7402 (?) gruppo and I see Columbus stickers on it.
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Right on both accounts KonAaron Snake. 7402 and Columbus SLX tubing sticker on the main frame. The fork Has a Columbus sticker, but I don't remember what spec it is (not SLX)
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Right on both accounts KonAaron Snake. 7402 and Columbus SLX tubing sticker on the main frame. The fork Has a Columbus sticker, but I don't remember what spec it is (not SLX)
Willing to bet that Marinoni would be able to tell you more about the date of manufacture if you send them the serial number ...
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Thanks geehue, I will get the s/n and send it to them tomorrow.
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Great bike, by the way ... have a lot of fun riding it ...
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Nice bike. What size HWY 1 do you use? I have a set in my garage not doing anything.
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Marinoni bicycles are very well made, highly collectible (collectibility is on the rise) and offer terrific ride quality. I have owned, built up and ridden several.

This is a mid seventies Special...



and a much later Squadra...

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Always lots for sale around here - must be a lot of bikes out there. Usually command a premium price. I believe Marinoni also does a lot of repaint work. If I see one my size and a decent price, I'd pick it up for sure.

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I have owned a lot of Nonis over the years, had one custom made for me as a kid, still have it
Very collectable bikes, fantastic build, great ride quality.
Your bike has a late 80`s early 90`s paint scheme, had one very similar to yours.
Check the serial number and contact Simone at Marinoni by phone, she`s old school.
She will tell you who bought it originaly, tube used, components, where it was sold, etc..
Very nice folks, I visit them at least 5 times a year for various jobs.
Pepe still makes regular lugged steel frames and oversized steel is available.
Custom fit frames and any paint scheme you want, figure about 1400$ CAN for a lugged beauty.
I usualy buy a beat up specimen and have them repaint it for about 150$ to 200$ CAN, with decals, superb job
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Cool bike. Really digging that flashy paint job.

The reach on the Hwy One bars is so much shorter than what you have, I would think of the stem and bars as a unit rather than do incremental changes.
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Very nice score for the OP. Aren't the fade colors pretty darn close to Shimano's corporate logo colors? A Campy build could cause a schizophrenic break, better be careful.

Big thumbs up on Marinoni from me, I've had 3-4 over the years, all were well-made and great riders. Very cool that you get to visit them regularly. Where else can you get full custom build/paint, from a genuine master, at that price?

Nonis aren't as numerous where I hang as they seem to be in Canada, but if you search ebay and craigslist you'll be able to nab one. A very clean 61cm Special complete bike went for $400 on ebay a couple of months ago, I think just one bidder. It was a relatively uncommon one with seatstay rack braze-ons. If I weren't at N+0 I'd have bid, it had me jonesing pretty bad. They seem to be fairly undervalued IMHO, at least on ebay.

I still have two. One is a Boston-/Terry-style frame w/24" front wheel, which IIRC has a different serial # scheme. Always wondered if it was somebody else's frame they repainted/rebadged.

Just FWIW I emailed Simone a couple of years ago about my blue Marinoni Special. She replied by email the next day and also attached a scan of the original build sheet. So it might be worth emailing her, at any rate it worked for me.

Glad I found this thread today, because, thanks to Simone's build sheet, I just discovered that tomorrow is my Special's 31st b'day! It came into this world on 6 August 1984. I'll have to eat some cake for it. It's been my most successful 650b conversion so far, fits 38mm fatties and hums both on trails and asphalt. I should probably buy it some new paint and decals, it's looking pretty raggedy for only 31. I got it from Sellwood Cycle Repair (Portland, OR) in '04, and it arrived with lots of surface spider-web rust. I stripped the top tube and repainted it, badly. Paint color is laughingly mis-matched, and sloppy surface prep means big chunks of paint drop off without warning. Hard to tell from the photos, but in real life it's pretty scabby. You do not want me attempting to paint your frame. The decals are also flaking off.

'84 Marinoni Special, 650 conversion:



OH NOOOOOOO!





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Check the serial number and contact Simone at Marinoni by phone, she`s old school.
She will tell you who bought it originaly, tube used, components, where it was sold, etc..
Very nice folks, I visit them at least 5 times a year for various jobs.
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Just a FWIW heads-up, the basic Marinoni serial number code is known, and like some other mfrs, tells us the year of the decade produced, but not the decade:

Ser# xabc: "x" = year of the decade of production, ie: 8x, 9x; "abc" = sequence for the year. So 4123 would be the 123rd bike built in '74, '84, '94, '04 or '14. You need to deduce the decade by construction/decal/component evidence, original sales receipt, memory of original owner, etc. Keep in mind that repaints are not uncommon, you'll see earlier frames refinished with later decals---randyjawa's '74 has late-'80s decals/graphics.

Don't know whether current/modern frames are still using the same serial# format. Things can get complex when you're outsourcing some of your production, or if your production volume increases, and etc.
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-randyjawa's '74 has late-'80s decals/graphics.
True but no longer randyjawa's. I have my Grail Canadian made bicycle, and my French bicycle, and my Italian bicycles(s), and my US bicycle and... Well, I might have a really special English bicycle, if I can ever identify the repainted mystery. But I don't have a nice Japanese bicycle. Perhaps one will surface, this weekend, during Yard Sale day (actually, about five hours per weekend, in Thunder Bay).
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Hey PCB, you got the serial number thing almost right, lots of variations, but for this topic it`s good enough.

Check these out on Kijiji in Québec, market is soft this year.
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Got the email back from Marinoni, and just as expected, all original.

Hello,
If the number is exact it's a 1991, Columbus SLX, 54cm, Dura-Ace Group. Original color: White, green and dark blue.
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Find of the year? Sounds like it deserves serious consideration. Great score.
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Glad to see Marinoni is still at it. Where else can you get a custom lugged steel frameset for $1500 Canadian?
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Marinoni ,the movie

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Glad to see Marinoni is still at it. Where else can you get a custom lugged steel frameset for $1500 Canadian?
If you can , the documentary of Marinoni is about passion ! The Lovell ghost bike in the basement is a chilling reminder of Cars vs Bikes .
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Originally Posted by gt eunuch View Post
Got the email back from Marinoni, and just as expected, all original.

Hello,
If the number is exact it's a 1991, Columbus SLX, 54cm, Dura-Ace Group. Original color: White, green and dark blue.
Regards
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I don't suppose you'd sell the Marinoni or trade for it?
I have 2, an '89 53cm Columbus SL and an '86 55cm Columbus SL


54cm is my size and very very hard to find.


Here is a thread I started on my 89 Marinoni:
http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...i-special.html
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Originally Posted by gt eunuch View Post
Got the email back from Marinoni, and just as expected, all original.

Hello,
If the number is exact it's a 1991, Columbus SLX, 54cm, Dura-Ace Group. Original color: White, green and dark blue.
Regards
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Got your PM, but I can't reply since I don't have 50 posts yet. Resend me a PM with you external email, thx.
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Nice ride, That would be one of the last ones with the seatstay caps. My 1992 had stays mitered to the lug and no caps.


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Just a FWIW heads-up, the basic Marinoni serial number code is known, and like some other mfrs, tells us the year of the decade produced, but not the decade:

Ser# xabc: "x" = year of the decade of production, ie: 8x, 9x; "abc" = sequence for the year. So 4123 would be the 123rd bike built in '74, '84, '94, '04 or '14. You need to deduce the decade by construction/decal/component evidence, original sales receipt, memory of original owner, etc. Keep in mind that repaints are not uncommon, you'll see earlier frames refinished with later decals---randyjawa's '74 has late-'80s decals/graphics.

Don't know whether current/modern frames are still using the same serial# format. Things can get complex when you're outsourcing some of your production, or if your production volume increases, and etc.
To add to this, the 4 digit serial number scheme went to 5 digit in the early 1990s, but in any case it is pretty easy to figure out which decade they fall into based on frame features. I am not sure they had serial numbers as early as 1974. He started around 74/75. 1970s bikes are very rare, early 1980s are not common. By the late 1980s the numbers were much larger and there were more members of the frame building team (however they were all still brazed by the master on the main joints), it's probably just that someone else was mitering, someone lug prepping, someone brazing on the braze-ons, stuff like that. The early ones have a different feel, you can see they are one mans work of art. While the quality of the bikes has always been exceptional they have a more mass produced look about them by the late 1980s, not that there is anything wrong with that!
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