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Old 08-13-15, 08:24 PM
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@bikingshearer, the rear brake clearance is definitely tight, but it works. Currently the brakes aren't very well adjusted and the pads are thin; the caliper arms do just touch the back of the seat tube when the brakes are squeezed. Once I replace the pads and adjust the brakes closer to the rim, it'll be fine. I could do a drop-bolt, but that would limit tire width...unless I do a 650b conversion, which is also a real consideration.
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Old 08-13-15, 09:33 PM
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It feels American to me. I can't put a finger on why. I'd refinish it even without a builder. The details alone warrant it.
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Old 08-13-15, 09:46 PM
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This bike could be a source of great family strife if your daughter ever scratches it, don't polish it too much that you have to hang it on the wall. It looks too good not to be ridden.
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My daughter does not take care of things, she gets a Colnago Super but with patina.
The parts will be clean and bright to start, we will see how she does.

I like this blue mixtie, I think French. A wee bit concerned about the rear brake arms striking the seat tube, but there might be a few ways to address that.
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Old 08-14-15, 12:05 AM
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Try to get some more details on the bottom bracket, and handlebar stem.

The serial number is interesting. Several not-for-export bikes of that era lacked serial numbers. 9000 is not a huge number, but if it is a true frame count, it wouldn't be a micro manufacturer either.

I'm leaning towards Italian with the Campy dropouts rather than Simplex or other brands.

How old is the daughter?
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Old 08-14-15, 12:19 AM
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That is extremely cool. I see your daughter needing two bikes. This one, and a beater that she can lock around town.
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Very nice mixte. Looks French to me. I saw a Singer mixte a few years back with a lot of the same detail including the same triple downtime design.

Congrats.
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Old 08-14-15, 11:46 AM
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Thanks for all the nice comments. @dck, a Singer would be something special indeed! The serial number placement on the nds dropout would be consistent, too, but I'll try not to get my hopes up. I did visit their shop a couple years ago when I was in Paris. I suppose I could ask them.

By the way, it takes a 27.2mm post.

And here's a probably meaningless shot of the rather generic BB shell.



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My daughter does not take care of things, she gets a Colnago Super but with patina.
The parts will be clean and bright to start, we will see how she does.

I like this blue mixtie, I think French. A wee bit concerned about the rear brake arms striking the seat tube, but there might be a few ways to address that.
My plan is to turn this into a father-daughter project. We'll do all the refurbishing/polishing and re-assembly together. She'll get to learn how it all works. But, just as important, once she finds out out how much work is involved in making it nice, maybe she'll be motivated to keep it that way. She already has some practice.



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Old 08-14-15, 01:08 PM
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That's a very nice image. Yea Dad!

Maybe this might be posted over to the CR list. If & when Norris Lockley is about, he knows the French builders in great detail.

It truly is a lovely bike. Congrats on all those levels.
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Old 08-14-15, 01:59 PM
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You've got a daughter who polishes your TA rings? Wow. Well done!

Re the bike: there's a nice 1947 René Herse mixte that seems to have modelled for your bike. Right here.
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Old 08-31-15, 12:13 PM
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UPDATE.

So, after being away on vacation, I finally had some more time with the bike. I also finally told my daughter about the bike project. Predictably, her first questions were: What color is it? Does it have a basket? She was genuinely excited, despite the lack of basket, and helped me disassemble the bike. First we did a test fitting; she still has several more inches to grow so it may not see any use right away, but that will give us time to get make it all pretty and possibly repaint to the color of her choice (likely something similar to the original light blue - see below).

It may still be French, I suppose, but I'm now less certain. A few more notes:

Paint: There appears to be a layer of light blue paint under the non-original dark blue paint. I'm thinking of trying to gently remove the top dark blue layer in the hope that the original light blue paint is intact enough to reveal something about the make/model. Any suggestions on how best to remove just the top layer of paint? (paging @rhm)

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Note: I ended up very carefully removing each layer of paint slowly by gently rubbing the frame with the edge of a metal tape measure as suggested by @non-fixie below. Worked great. Thanks again for the tip. Unfortunately, it didn't turn up any clues. If anything was painted on, I'm certain I would have seen it.

BB threading: Is English, not French. However, there are grooves running all the way through the BB which appear different from the threads at the end where the cups thread into the shell. Does this appear to have been retapped? The curious thing is that the threads at the ends of the BB shell are slightly raised compared to the middle of the BB shell, which suggests not tapped. But still not sure what to make of the threads in the middle of the shell.



Fork threads: Similarly, there is some threading weirdness with the fork. The threads at the top of the steerer tube are English, but again I wonder if it may have been rethreaded at some point. Note that the threads are clean at the top, then get a little thin and uneven in the middle, and then bulge slightly at the bottom of the threaded section. Also appears to be some brass flowed onto the threads, which I recall JohnThompson mentioning as a fix for stripped threads. It all works fine on the bike with what appears to be an original Stronglight headset, but it is a little curious. Thoughts?



Tubing: The seat tube is 28.6mm outside diameter and takes a 27.2mm post. Not typical French tubing sizes, but that doesn't necessarily rule out French maker either.

Hub threading: I suspect (though can't be certain) the wheelset is original. Fwiw, the rear hub has a groove denoting English threading.

Lastly, here are a couple better pics of the top tube junction and cable guide.


Top_and_SeatTubeJunction by gaucho777, on Flickr


SeatStay_Junction by gaucho777, on Flickr

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Old 08-31-15, 12:37 PM
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I used a metal tape measure (spring rule) to clean mine. The thin flexible tape worked surprisingly well on the round shapes of the tubes, and as the original paint proved to be much harder than the top coat, I managed to at least get a good impression of the original paint job, including the box lining.

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Old 08-31-15, 12:39 PM
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On the paint, all I can suggest is to take what solvents you already have, and try the mildest ones. Wet a paper towel with solvent, rub the blue paint for a while, then see if your paper towel has turned blue. Try denatured alcohol (probably won't work), paint thinner (maybe), naphtha, lacquer thinner... you may have to go to xylol or acetone. Hopefully nothing quite that necessary; but depending on what kind of paint was resprayed onto your frame, one of them is likely to work.
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^Thanks, I'll try that.
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Old 08-31-15, 04:34 PM
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I think regardless of who made the frame, you still ended up with a seriously nice bike. This looks like it'll be a cool project and I hope you'll keep us updated with the progress as you go.
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I still haven't figured out this frame. I would like to get some paint on it and build it up early this summer since my daughter should fit it now. I've been reluctant to paint it in the hopes I might still first identify the make/builder first. Bumping for additional input.

Any thoughts, @MauriceMoss?

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mixte naked by gaucho777, on Flickr


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Old 06-07-19, 02:11 AM
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Nice to see this beautiful bike back on page one.
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Good bump. That's a high quality mixte you've got there - and I think I've seen it before on your garage bench, no?

I'd just have your daughter pick a color, paint it, and start riding it around The People's Republic.

+1 on a basket. Mixte's just scream out loud for one. Here's one of my daughter's bikes after a rebuild:

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I have no idea who made it but it look well made with the thinned lug points and all...... What color did you daughter pic? are you going to paint or powder? if paing auto or rattlecan?

no matter what it will be nice to see when done
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Well that's some fine mixte content. I'm glad you bumped it.

I used to have a Stella mixte with that same frame configuration, and a similar mix of parts with lots of campy bits. It was a rocket. So that's one to check out.

Looks French to me. Could it have a Swiss BB that someone crammed a BSC into? Happened all the time.

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I agree with @gugie ladies love a basket Schwinn, Mesa Runner ladies with basket below. I was fortunate to find a French Market Peugeot Mixte on local CL a few years back, the family was moving back to La belle France and didn't want to lug a 30 lbs bike with them for some reason, ended up refurbing it for my Daughter.

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That is going to be a stunning bike, Randy. Upon seeing it in person a few months ago I was thinking "get this thing together...it needs to be ridden". I still have the same opinion.
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