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Old 08-05-15, 04:57 PM
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My Daughter is Spoiled! (French mixte content)

My daughter is now officially spoiled! I just won an auction for a beautiful mystery French mixte. She doesn't even know I've been eyeing this, and I'm sure she won't appreciate this bike as much as her dad does. She's outgrown her first bike and I'm hoping this is something she can grow into and will serve her for years to come. I was at the very upper limit of what I was willing to spend and it was just enough to be the winning bid. Check out the beautifully sculpted lugs! Guessing early 70s, possibly even late 60s? Repainted, with obscured serial on rear dropout. I may tell her it's mine and she can use it whenever she wants. I'll post better pics when the frame arrives--and hopefully, we can unravel the builder. For now, here are some pics from the seller.

EDIT: A note about this thread. A lot of the original pictures, including the original seller's pictures were lost to photobucket. I've gone through this thread to add & replace photos to keep the thread coherent. Also, I am no longer confident it is a French frame as I had originally suspected. English threading, but there are some questions re the threading remaining. Initially, I started by posting the seller's pics, but those have been lost, so I replaced them with "as received" photos, some of which are repeated below.














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Old 08-05-15, 06:09 PM
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Very cool Mixte! Lots of nice parts, and interesting brazed on bits

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Old 08-05-15, 06:28 PM
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SWEET!!!!

I like that triple tube design. I don't think I've seen one quite like that before.

Oh, and I think it even comes with tire savers.
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^Yep, tire savers, and lots of other goodies: vintage Zefal pump, a really nice handlebar-mounted waterbottle cage, Campagnolo pedals, post, HF hubs, Mavic tubular wheels, Ideale 90 saddle (my favorite), Stronglight cranks, etc. But it's the sculpted lugs that got me.
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Schweet! One lucky kid!
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Very cool it's rare to see a frame of this quality in small looks to be about 18inch mixte size. I have never seen a French mixte with the triple top tube like that I have only seen this design on higher end stuff from Japan so it should be interesting to find out the origin's maker of this bike.
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When you say "triple top tube" do you mean where the ends of the seat stays overlap/pass the seat tube?
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Very nice! I'll subscribe to this thread, if you don't mind. I've got that 'triple top tube' setup on two Belgian bikes, BTW.
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I'd be surprised if it turns out to be French. They mostly used full-length twin lateral tubes (the "Mixte" tubes), either straight or curved, and not the frame design you have. Could be a frame of any origin built up with that collection of parts.
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At your convenience, please throw a caliper across the seat tube and let us know whether it is 28.0mm (French or Swiss) or 28.6mm (almost everyone else). Alternatively, if you can read the bottom bracket cups, see whether they are French or Swiss 35x1 or Japanese/ISO 1.375x24. Nice bike, wherever it came from!
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen View Post
When you say "triple top tube" do you mean where the ends of the seat stays overlap/pass the seat tube?
That is what I meant.

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I'd be surprised if it turns out to be French. They mostly used full-length twin lateral tubes (the "Mixte" tubes), either straight or curved, and not the frame design you have. Could be a frame of any origin built up with that collection of parts.
The Motobecane Grand Jubile and Grand Touring Mixte bikes had a single top tube that split just before the seat tube.

The OP's bike is unique with the top tube ending in a lug, then getting the rear stay tubes brazed on the outside (is there a post spacing it out?)

That is a lot of Campy on the bike including campy hubs, and what appear to be campy dropouts. It could also be Italian. I'm curious as to the threading on the bottom bracket.

However, here are a few brands to check out:
  • Renι Herse Mixte
  • Gaidou Mixte
  • Goeland Mixte
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@CliffordK: Thanks a lot for the info. Much appreciated and will look into those models. Really excited to get it into my hands. I'm not sure I understand your question "Is there a post spacing it out?" Can you clarify? Here's another shot down the seat tube from another angle:



I have to say, I'm getting a touch nervous that the seller has been silent since the close of the auction. I paid for the item immediately after the auction closed early yesterday afternoon. I then sent an email using the seller's paypal email address to say, basically, "Hi, I'm the winner, very excited, and here's my shipping address. Please pack carefully. and please let me know if you need anything or have questions." No reply, so I sent another message first thing this morning using ebay message, and still nothing. When do I start to worry something is amiss? The seller appears to have some knowledge of bikes based on the detailed item description, but has a very limited, albeit all positive, selling history. How would you go about giving good packing instructions. This is the first time I've bought a bike on ebay which requires shipping, and I'd like to do what I can to ensure the bike arrives in good condition. Thoughts?

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Old 08-06-15, 01:07 PM
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Give the seller a few days to get the bike all packed up and shipped out. Start worrying if you don't hear anything by next week.
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Crickets from the seller. In the Q&A section, there's this exchange:

Q: Hi Beautiful bike. Is local pickup ok? Taking any cash offers outside eBay? Thanks Kurt
A: local pick up ok

Oh, I want this bike bad, but I'm getting a bad feeling...

The last time I won an auction for a bike on ebay (good closing price on a Colnago with c-record), the seller replied 2 hours after the auction closed to say the bike was in an accident and no longer available and then cancelled the listing.
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That is all quite odd.

I found the auction, and the selling price seemed good for the seller for an unbranded bike.
And it is not like it was a buy-it-now auction that could have been forgotten months ago.

Give it a week or so, then if there is no tracking number, open a dispute. Assuming you used PayPal, you'll get your money back, but it can take a few weeks. Just be careful about double-purchasing, and ending up with two.

I also ordered a French Mixte as a project bike from E-Bay for slightly less... and mine is supposed to be on the way

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Be a little bit patient. Not all sellers are quick off the mark.

It sure does look like a very nice bike. We'll all look forward to the detailed photos you'll post later!!!
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Bike has shipped.
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Summer is a bit tricky due to vacations. No one buys my bikes on eBay until I go on vacation.

Hope it all works out okay for you. The ad says 3 days to ship, so you're not there yet. .The Seller only has sold six items, of which one was a bike to a "not so happy" buyer, the rest of his stars are from buying.

I hope you plan to have a 24 hour guard stationed whenever your daughter needs to leave the bike outside her destination. That is a major investment for a community known as a hotbed of bike theft.

Good luck and enjoy!
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Originally Posted by gaucho777 View Post
Bike has shipped.
Well, my French Mixte arrived today with a bit of a disappointment..

I hope yours fares better.
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I've been tracking the package all week. It was supposed to arrive tomorrow when my wife would be home to receive it. Signature required. Then this morning, FedEx tracking indicated the package was out for delivery today. But nobody was going to be home. Figured they'd leave a note for pickup or re-delivery tomorrow. Then, just after noon, I noticed on the tracking website that the package was delivered and signed for by someone whose name I did not recognize! Definitely not the name of any close neighbors. I immediately called FedEx to lodge a complaint, then got on my bike and sprinted ~8 miles home instead of taking a lunch break. I was relieved to find the box on my exposed porch, albeit with a skewer and brake lever sticking out of the box.

Not the best packing job. No padding inside. Just removed the front wheel, handlebars, pedals, and saddle/post, and then zip-tied everything together. Doesn't appear to have taken too much damage though.

Didn't have too much time to go over the bike carefully. Just basically cut the zip-ties and put the pieces back together with my fingers for now. I'd like to clean up the seat tube before forcing the Campagnolo seat post back into position, so excuse the rather high saddle for now.


MysteryMixte_DriveSide by gaucho777, on Flickr

I was able to find a serial number on the left rear dropout. It's a bit hard to read, but I think I make out 090651.





There are a couple of areas with decent-size paint chips that should have been photographed better by the seller, particularly the left side of the top tube. I knew it was a repaint, and the seller's pics did show other paint chips. It should be a fairly easy color to touch up and I may end up refinishing if I can determine the maker, so it's not a huge disappointment. If that's the only issue, so be it. But still...

Any thoughts on the potential builder would be appreciated. No markings on bottom of BB. Campagnolo dropouts. Haven't confirmed the threading. Based on the rounded stay ends, Stronglight headset and cranks, Ideale saddle, and overall je ne sais quoi I suspected French. Now...maybe not? Whatever it is, it's definitely one of the nicest mixte bikes I've come across.

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A few more gratuitous pics for now. I do like that handlebar-mounted waterbottle cage. Has a fair amount of Campagnolo bits: bar-end shifters, pedals, post, hubs/skewers, dropouts. And those nice lugs.

EDIT: See photos in post #1 .

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I won't hazard a guess as to who specifically made this frame, but I was just reading last night Peter Weigle's article on making frames for women in the Summer 2007 issue of Bicycle Quarterly. In the article, he mentions frames using this construction method rather than the standard mixte construction being common amongst those built by French constructeurs. The style is supposed to be much more labor-intensive and not conducive to factory-built frames. The high quality of the components and the nicely filed lugs might attest to this.
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It's too bad the packing job was not better, but at least this is (presumably) not the original finish. The same damage would have been heartbreaking in that case.

That looks like a Stronglight V4 headset.

The very distinctive rear brake cable hanger and QR should be a definite giveaway to somebody familiar with Euro machines. I can't recall seeing a setup like that before.

The seatpost binder is also unusual. I'd have expected a two-piece bolt and nut instead of this.

Frame could be from a boutique builder and not a manufacturer.

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Great find, and I'm glad the bike arrived in good shape.

But color me confused regarding the rear brake. Is there enough clearance between the caliper arms and the seat tube to allow it to actually work? Looks awfully tight from the photos.
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