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Old 08-19-15, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by gaucho777
@CV-6, That's a lovely bike and a cool Mavic group to boot. It's hard to tell with the glare off the chromed stays, but are the seat stay caps scalloped and wrapped around the lug? Interesting angles at the front. Looks to have a very laid back head tube angle with a shallow raked fork. And what are those cool black & polished HF hubs?
Caps below. The laid back appearing HT is due to low shooting/wide angle. The hubs are my favorite type. Pelissier 2000.

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How exactly do we know the Carre is really a Carre?
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The easy answer is B.Carre stamped into the seat stay caps. Custom Carrés may have the rider's initials or name in place of the B.Carre. Be aware not all Carré are created equal. He did build with lesser tubing and still put his stamp on the cap. I have one of those. The lower end (if you can call them that as they are still nice frames) will often have domed ends on the chain stay at the rear drops. Such is true for mine pictured below. Even so, it has Campagnolo ends and is rather nicely detailed. The brake bridge has reinforcements where my 531 Lejeune Pro does not.

Carré was prolific. There is evidence he built in the 50s well into the 80s. He built for Anquetil, Henri Anglade and some other Sauvage Lejeune riders. An interesting aside here is that in an interview with Jan Janssen (Sauvage Lejeune TdF winner 1968) he said he did not ride a custom frame yet said he rode a "lighter" frame on some of the stages in 1968. However, there is a post on the CR list archives (referenced below) that tells of a drawing of Janssen's TdF bike that is clearly Carré and has JJ on the seat caps. Carré built for bike shops. My red and chrome Carré is branded Cycles Labbé ( or maybe l'Abbé). Carré branded frames are kind of unusual.

Rather than write a long post, go here for some good reading.

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Well. That was a bit of a marathon, and I only read 25 of the posts. Very informative, and a mention of the esteemed human form of the local aircraft carrier to boot. 300 bikes in a collection is quite extraordinary, and something slightly beyond my imagination.



I did however add this one to the attic. Pictures at 11...
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I've never seen a Carré before today. Thanks BF for giving me another bike to crave.
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