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Achielle Saar: Men or woman's bike?

Old 08-25-15, 09:44 AM
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Achielle Saar: Men or woman's bike?

Hi Guys,

I was wondering if anybody knew whether this bike with its step-through frame is a woman's bike or unisex?

https://www.achielle.be/NL/images/sam...aardeluxe1.jpg

Cheers,
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Old 08-25-15, 10:38 AM
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Mixte frames, those with the twin lateral tubes, are generally considered to be women's but some also call them unisex bikes. Double downtube or step-through frames like this are generally considered to be women's bikes. That said, I have a Raleigh Sports ladies 23" frame waiting in the garage for the day when I can no longer swing a leg over my M23". It's just a bike and you're just a person. Ride what you want if it fits you.
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It's a woman's bike (NTTAWWT).
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Thanks!! This was very helpful!
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Achielle Saar is a womens bike (Saar is a girls name here in flanders, it's short for Sara...), the mens bike is called Achielle Sam...

I own an Achielle Sam, it looks like this:

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It's funny how it's automatically a women's bike. Men, please feel welcome to use mixte or step-through frames. Why not??

Superia, how is your Achielle Sam bike? Would you call it a reasonably fast, reasonably light bike? I'm thinking of getting the Saar, but will likely not be able to try one before ordering.
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Originally Posted by kayg View Post
It's funny how it's automatically a women's bike. Men, please feel welcome to use mixte or step-through frames. Why not??

Superia, how is your Achielle Sam bike? Would you call it a reasonably fast, reasonably light bike? I'm thinking of getting the Saar, but will likely not be able to try one before ordering.
I would ride the hell out of a mixte. I think they're neat, and you don't see them very often in my area. Not really into loop-frames or other step-through bikes like the Saar, though.
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if you fit a baby seat on the back a step through frame is advantageous to Pa, as well as Ma .

steel is gender neutral .
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Originally Posted by kayg View Post
It's funny how it's automatically a women's bike.
Hi Kay,

From what I'm aware, the step through design was designed for the express porpoise of allowing ladies to ride with dresses.

It just so happens that the design is also advantageous for those who may have difficulty (for whatever reason) getting their leg over a top tube.

It doesn't change what the frame was designed for.



I could probably rock something like a 36 A cup bra. I may look pretty good in it, and I might very well enjoy wearing it (for whatever reason). Doesn't change the fact that a brassiere is designed and made for women.
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Originally Posted by Superia View Post
Achielle Saar is a womens bike (Saar is a girls name here in flanders, it's short for Sara...), the mens bike is called Achielle Sam...

I own an Achielle Sam, it looks like this:

I am digging the look of this bike! Anyone know if they are available in the US?
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Originally Posted by daf1009 View Post
I am digging the look of this bike! Anyone know if they are available in the US?
They are available in the US, have a look on their site to find a dealer: Achielle :: Echt een fiets van bij ons! Achielle by Dija-Oostcolor, made in Belgium!

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Originally Posted by kayg View Post
It's funny how it's automatically a women's bike. Men, please feel welcome to use mixte or step-through frames. Why not??

Superia, how is your Achielle Sam bike? Would you call it a reasonably fast, reasonably light bike? I'm thinking of getting the Saar, but will likely not be able to try one before ordering.
My Achielle Sam is very fast, I can go 35-40 km/h with it and I'm not the fittest...

The Saar is a ladies bike because the top tube is low, so you can ride it while wearing a dress, also, every womens bike Achielle makes gets a ladies name like Saar, Louise, Babette, Julie, Marie,...
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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy View Post
Hi Kay,

From what I'm aware, the step through design was designed for the express porpoise of allowing ladies to ride with dresses.

It just so happens that the design is also advantageous for those who may have difficulty (for whatever reason) getting their leg over a top tube.

It doesn't change what the frame was designed for.



I could probably rock something like a 36 A cup bra. I may look pretty good in it, and I might very well enjoy wearing it (for whatever reason). Doesn't change the fact that a brassiere is designed and made for women.
+1 on the first part.

-1 on the second bit. (the one time I don't ask for pics)

Just to be clear: I don't mind men riding girls' bikes or girls riding mens' bikes. It just has little or nothing to do with the business decision to tool up a million dollar factory.
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Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post

-1 on the second bit. (the one time I don't ask for pics)
Oh, you want pix of me in a bra... I suppose... I could go out and buy one. I'm sure I'd look pretty smashing in it.

I mean... look how styley I am in a dress:




I really got the legs for that dress...


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Thanks for that.

I think.

Not quite sure if we're helping Brian with any of this though.


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Oh, you want pix of me in a bra... I suppose... I could go out and buy one. I'm sure I'd look pretty smashing in it.

I mean... look how styley I am in a dress:




I really got the legs for that dress...


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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy View Post
Oh, you want pix of me in a bra... I suppose... I could go out and buy one. I'm sure I'd look pretty smashing in it.

I mean... look how styley I am in a dress:




I really got the legs for that dress...


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Thanks for the info! Appreciate it. It's definitely a beautiful bike.
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Originally Posted by goof1972 View Post
Hi Guys,

I was wondering if anybody knew whether this bike with its step-through frame is a woman's bike or unisex?

https://www.achielle.be/NL/images/sam...aardeluxe1.jpg

Cheers,
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There is so much confusion about Mixte frames or step throughs. The original term "mixte" initially merely implied "mixed sex" or being unisex. So many people now erroneously forget this and think a mixte is only a bike with the extra set of stays, with a higher stand over clearance than a typical step through. In reality the bicycle world is a bit male centric. A bicycle was thought to be for males with a horizontal top tube, and for either sex, "mixed sex" or just mixte if it was a step through or what most people think of as a proper mixte.

Sheldon Brown just quite simply had it completely wrong. He didn't know how to pronounce mixte, and if you look at this mixte definition he muddles through it ignorant of the term "mixte" merely representing a "mixed sex" bike. Sheldon is wrong on how to pronounce it, he's wrong about what a mixte bike actually is (any "mixed sex" bike), and very wrong to try to limit the word to bikes that are just step-throughs without the extra stays. Which is kind of funny actually in that his wife had spent time in France where the term mixte originated, and merely just meant "mixed sex." He was a great cyclist, but he was human. He didn't know everything and posted a lot of stuff that was erroneous or borderline irresponsible.
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