Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Show your Japanese touring bikes

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Show your Japanese touring bikes

Old 11-10-15, 04:37 PM
  #101  
b dub 
CL Addict
 
b dub's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Evanston, IL
Posts: 878
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
1983 Nishiki Cresta, build up with a mixture components:
- Takagi Tourney crankset
- Shimano Deerhead f/r derailleurs
- Campy Tipo/Rigida wheelset
- Diacompe canti brakes
- Campy seat post



__________________
'50s Leon Cattrysse - '72 Canadian Tire Company Supercycle - '74 Raleigh International - '83 Nishiki Cresta -
'84 Centurion Turbo - '86 v. Herwerden (Chesini) - '87 Specialized Sirrus - '88 Trek 2000 - '92 Schwinn Paramount Series 30
b dub is offline  
Old 11-10-15, 11:34 PM
  #102  
Saguaro 
Senior Member
 
Saguaro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Posts: 557

Bikes: 1982 Nishiki Cresta, 1991 Tommasini Competizione

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Another Nishiki Cresta, this one is a 1982/1983 model. I have since replaced the tires with Compass Stampede Pass Extralight tires. Super sweet riding bike.











Saguaro is offline  
Old 11-11-15, 11:04 AM
  #103  
brianinc-ville
Senior Member
 
brianinc-ville's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Greenville, NC
Posts: 1,249
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 62 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts
I love this thread!

Just eyeballing the photos, though, this thread seems to confirm my observation about C&V Japanese frame geometry: they all look like they're about 2-3cm shorter in the top tube than comparable English or French bikes of the '70s and '80s (e.g., my Raleigh International or Peugeot P8). I love everything else about the Japanese bikes, but the reach and wheelbase tend to be shorter than I'd want for a stable tourer. Do y'all agree? Notable exceptions?
brianinc-ville is offline  
Old 11-11-15, 11:09 AM
  #104  
DiegoFrogs
Senior Member
 
DiegoFrogs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Toledo, OH
Posts: 2,376

Bikes: '77 Centurion "Pro Tour"; '67 Carlton "The Flyer"; 1984 Ross MTB (in USA)

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 94 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
The dimensions of my '77 Pro Tour are a very close match the dimensions of my '67 Carlton Flyer, which is similar to the Raleigh International.

One thing I've noticed about Japanese bikes from the '70s and '80s is that they often seemed to use the same top tube size for the entire portfolio of frame sizes. Fortunately, the 56 cm-ish top tube works well for me.
DiegoFrogs is offline  
Old 11-11-15, 11:20 AM
  #105  
b dub 
CL Addict
 
b dub's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Evanston, IL
Posts: 878
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by brianinc-ville View Post
I love this thread!

Just eyeballing the photos, though, this thread seems to confirm my observation about C&V Japanese frame geometry: they all look like they're about 2-3cm shorter in the top tube than comparable English or French bikes of the '70s and '80s (e.g., my Raleigh International or Peugeot P8). I love everything else about the Japanese bikes, but the reach and wheelbase tend to be shorter than I'd want for a stable tourer. Do y'all agree? Notable exceptions?
Based on the Nishiki Cresta and Raleigh International I have (similar size) not true:



__________________
'50s Leon Cattrysse - '72 Canadian Tire Company Supercycle - '74 Raleigh International - '83 Nishiki Cresta -
'84 Centurion Turbo - '86 v. Herwerden (Chesini) - '87 Specialized Sirrus - '88 Trek 2000 - '92 Schwinn Paramount Series 30
b dub is offline  
Old 11-11-15, 11:32 AM
  #106  
noglider 
aka Tom Reingold
 
noglider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: West Village, New York City
Posts: 37,586

Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1973 Raleigh Twenty, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem

Mentioned: 440 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5684 Post(s)
Liked 253 Times in 178 Posts
Originally Posted by brianinc-ville View Post
I love this thread!

Just eyeballing the photos, though, this thread seems to confirm my observation about C&V Japanese frame geometry: they all look like they're about 2-3cm shorter in the top tube than comparable English or French bikes of the '70s and '80s (e.g., my Raleigh International or Peugeot P8). I love everything else about the Japanese bikes, but the reach and wheelbase tend to be shorter than I'd want for a stable tourer. Do y'all agree? Notable exceptions?
I know that slacker head angles and longer chainstays increase a bike's stability for loaded touring, but what is the effect of top tube length on stability?
__________________
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog

“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author

Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
noglider is offline  
Old 11-11-15, 01:09 PM
  #107  
choteau
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Oregon
Posts: 366
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
So it seems Kuwahara built my 1973 Azuki Sports that was a ten speed, but is now running a Sturmey NIG AW 3 speed, the frame geometry is close to Surly LHT, with the same 72 degree angles. 63 cm Seat tube and 62 cm top tube.


And here's a pic of my 1983 Miyata 610 running a Sturmey XRF5 W hub 63 cm seat tube and 56 cm top tube. Both are sporting 27 x 1 1/4 Pasela's.


The Azuki with 1" longer chainstays and 6 cm longer top tube is stable at any speed, the Miyata is twitchy / agile except at speed with a front load! Go figure?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
2 oct ride 002.jpg (103.3 KB, 1576 views)
File Type: jpg
Azuki 016.jpg (103.3 KB, 1579 views)

Last edited by choteau; 11-11-15 at 01:13 PM.
choteau is offline  
Old 11-11-15, 02:28 PM
  #108  
mstateglfr 
Sunshine
 
mstateglfr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 8,872

Bikes: '18 class built steel roadbike, '19 Fairlight Secan, '87 Schwinn Prelude, Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross V4, '89 Novara Trionfo, '18 Diamondback Syncr

Mentioned: 79 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3274 Post(s)
Liked 333 Times in 229 Posts
Do you notice the almost 2.5" difference between frame lengths when riding? Or has that distance been mitigated with the stem length and handlebar designs?
mstateglfr is offline  
Old 11-11-15, 02:47 PM
  #109  
The Golden Boy 
Extraordinary Magnitude
 
The Golden Boy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Waukesha WI
Posts: 11,546

Bikes: 1977 Trek TX700; 1978/79 Trek 736; 1984 Specialized Stumpjumper Sport; 1984 Schwinn Voyageur SP; 1985 Trek 620; 1985 Trek 720; 1986 Trek 400 Elance; 1987 Schwinn High Sierra; 1990 Miyata 1000LT

Mentioned: 73 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1789 Post(s)
Liked 102 Times in 83 Posts
Originally Posted by brianinc-ville View Post
I love this thread!

Just eyeballing the photos, though, this thread seems to confirm my observation about C&V Japanese frame geometry: they all look like they're about 2-3cm shorter in the top tube than comparable English or French bikes of the '70s and '80s (e.g., my Raleigh International or Peugeot P8). I love everything else about the Japanese bikes, but the reach and wheelbase tend to be shorter than I'd want for a stable tourer. Do y'all agree? Notable exceptions?
My two Trek tourers have the TT 1 cm longer than the seat tube. My Schwinn Voyageur SP has the TT the same length as the seat tube.

IMO- the Trek geometry is a little more comfortable- maybe because I'm more used to it.
__________________
*Recipient of the 2006 Time Magazine "Person Of The Year" Award*

Commence to jigglin’ huh?!?!

"But hey, always love to hear from opinionated amateurs." -says some guy to Mr. Marshall.
The Golden Boy is offline  
Old 11-11-15, 03:49 PM
  #110  
choteau
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Oregon
Posts: 366
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Most of the distance has been minimized, only about 1" difference in cockpit area. The 2.5" diff in the wheelbase tho....
After 30 miles and getting tired I notice it takes more effort to track a smooth straight line with the Miyata. I've had the Miyata checked (twice) for fork and frame alignment and it's dead on....
The Azuki is another story, frame is close and fork is off 1/4" to one side, the fork dropouts have been filed to compensate AND for a 5/16 axle. Looking for better fork to replace it with.
choteau is offline  
Old 12-28-15, 05:48 PM
  #111  
artclone
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 1,267

Bikes: '68 Raleigh Suberbe, '92 (German) Centurion Equipe, '85 Schwinn Peloton, 1983ish Zunow Road Racer project, '69 Squanch Super Tourer, 1980 Bianchi Super Corsa, '82 Austro-Daimler Vent Noir, '89 Miyata 914 project, 1982ish Bianchi Rallye

Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 289 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
1985 Schwinn Voyaguer

Just got it in the mail, so this is a "before" pick . . .
artclone is offline  
Old 09-18-17, 01:56 PM
  #112  
DMcycle
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 2
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I just picked up the same model at our bike collective. Trying to find a vintage looking rear rack, but having trouble w the center brake pull. What kind of rack do you have on this bike? Thanks.
DMcycle is offline  
Old 09-18-17, 02:04 PM
  #113  
DMcycle
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 2
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by DMcycle View Post
I just picked up the same model at our bike collective. Trying to find a vintage looking rear rack, but having trouble w the center brake pull. What kind of rack do you have on this bike? Thanks.
I see my quote didn't carry over. I was referring to the 1985 Nishiki Cresta posted by
Orbeamike.
DMcycle is offline  
Old 12-18-17, 04:01 AM
  #114  
AustinFitz
Senior Member
 
AustinFitz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Bush, Louisiana
Posts: 536

Bikes: 1984 Centurion Elite GT 15, 1985 Centurion Ironman Dave Scott

Mentioned: 26 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 163 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
This has to be one of my all time favorite threads on the forum! I've become obsessed with touring bikes in general over the past year or so, but I'm especially fond of the Japanese touring bikes.

There are some really amazing bikes in this thread, and I think it needs a bump.

Here's my baby! She's a 1984 Centurion Elite GT 15. It's a work in progres that I've been slowly building up from a rusty mess I picked up for cheap about a year ago. It's honestly the most pleasurable bike I've ever ridden!

(Note: I have changed the cable routing since these pics were taken so that the rear brake cable now crosses over the front cable above the stem.)









AustinFitz is offline  
Old 12-18-17, 10:46 AM
  #115  
obrentharris 
Senior Member
 
obrentharris's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posts: 2,453

Bikes: fewer (n-1)

Mentioned: 54 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 573 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 39 Times in 25 Posts
Centurion Pro Tour this fall after I repainted and refurbished it. Waiting not-so-patiently for the days to get longer so I can take it on its first tour.



Brent
obrentharris is offline  
Old 12-18-17, 10:56 AM
  #116  
Vintage_Cyclist
Senior Member
 
Vintage_Cyclist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Big Apple
Posts: 1,258

Bikes: yes

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 328 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts
Both apparently Miki-built frames.

1979 Centurion Pro Tour


1982 Specialized Sequoia
Vintage_Cyclist is offline  
Old 12-18-17, 11:05 AM
  #117  
mstateglfr 
Sunshine
 
mstateglfr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 8,872

Bikes: '18 class built steel roadbike, '19 Fairlight Secan, '87 Schwinn Prelude, Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross V4, '89 Novara Trionfo, '18 Diamondback Syncr

Mentioned: 79 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3274 Post(s)
Liked 333 Times in 229 Posts
Fuji frame built in Japan in 1990 for a private label touring company. Its taken me on a lot of great trips in the last 2 years- across Iowa twice on RAGBRAI, across a good bit of Missouri on the KATY, and 6 local 2-3 day trips.
A mix of old and modern that has made a really comfortable, affordable, and versatile bike.




Last edited by mstateglfr; 12-18-17 at 11:13 AM.
mstateglfr is offline  
Old 12-19-17, 10:26 AM
  #118  
cdmurphy 
Senior Member
 
cdmurphy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: San Marcos, CA
Posts: 570

Bikes: Too many, but sometimes not enough.

Mentioned: 31 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 224 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times in 5 Posts
1976 Centurion Pro Tour:
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
IMG_20170917_105002_1.jpg (67.7 KB, 644 views)

Last edited by cdmurphy; 12-19-17 at 11:02 AM.
cdmurphy is offline  
Old 12-20-17, 07:18 AM
  #119  
bear_a_bug 
Senior Member
 
bear_a_bug's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Logan Square, Chicago
Posts: 236

Bikes: '85 Trek 870, 650b'd '74 Raleigh Super Tourer, '83 Trek 620, '91 Bill Davidson Impulse, '74 Raleigh Competition

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 75 Post(s)
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
I think I've seen this one posted before. I really like the color choices here. Are you planning on re-decaling the frame?



Originally Posted by obrentharris View Post
Centurion Pro Tour this fall after I repainted and refurbished it. Waiting not-so-patiently for the days to get longer so I can take it on its first tour.



Brent
bear_a_bug is offline  
Old 12-20-17, 09:36 AM
  #120  
Scottybigs
Senior Member
 
Scottybigs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Toronto
Posts: 253

Bikes: Schwinn Voyageur SP | Sekine SHS-271 | Wabi Special

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 107 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by obrentharris View Post
Centurion Pro Tour this fall after I repainted and refurbished it. Waiting not-so-patiently for the days to get longer so I can take it on its first tour.



Brent
Me likey. Did you do up a separate build thread for this bike? Curious to see how you integrated the existing chrome, as my Voyageur SP is a very similar bike to this one.
Scottybigs is offline  
Old 12-20-17, 11:20 AM
  #121  
obrentharris 
Senior Member
 
obrentharris's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posts: 2,453

Bikes: fewer (n-1)

Mentioned: 54 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 573 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 39 Times in 25 Posts
Originally Posted by Scottybigs View Post
Me likey. Did you do up a separate build thread for this bike? Curious to see how you integrated the existing chrome, as my Voyageur SP is a very similar bike to this one.
Build thread is here: Dipping My Toes in the Touring Waters
Originally Posted by bear_a_bug View Post
I think I've seen this one posted before. I really like the color choices here. Are you planning on re-decaling the frame?
Thanks! So far I have resisted putting decals on it but I did devise a headbadge from an Australian coin! The bike is a bit of a Platypus with it's mix of components.



Brent
obrentharris is offline  
Old 12-21-17, 01:48 PM
  #122  
dweenk 
Senior Member
 
dweenk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Maryland
Posts: 3,173

Bikes: 1971 Fuji Finest, Royale, S-10-S, 1976 Motobecane Mirage, 1989 Trek 330, 1100, 1970 Raleigh Sport, and more

Mentioned: 40 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 582 Post(s)
Liked 19 Times in 13 Posts
Nishiki Riviera GT

My 1985 Nishiki Riviera GT as found
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
Nishiki Riviera GT (1).JPG (114.7 KB, 599 views)
File Type: jpg
Nishiki Riviera GT (2).JPG (121.4 KB, 603 views)
File Type: jpg
Nishiki Riviera GT (5).JPG (129.9 KB, 603 views)
File Type: jpg
Nishiki Riviera GT (7).JPG (116.5 KB, 600 views)
File Type: jpg
Nishiki Riviera GT (3).JPG (142.5 KB, 596 views)
__________________
"The man who does not read has no advantage over the man who cannot read." –Mark Twain
dweenk is offline  
Old 12-21-17, 03:29 PM
  #123  
rodteague
Enjoying the ride
 
rodteague's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 103

Bikes: 1986 Raleigh Technium 440, 1989 Bianchi Alante, 1991 Specialized Sirrus

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 49 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Vintage_Cyclist View Post
Both apparently Miki-built frames.

1979 Centurion Pro Tour


1982 Specialized Sequoia
How did you conclude the Sequoia is a Miki built frame? I agree it is a Japanese frame, but to my knowledge the only confirmed Japanese builders of Sequoia's are 3Rensho and Miyata. There were "other small builders" but determining who they were has been impossible to figure, until maybe now ......? I love the bike BTW, wish I still had mine

Regards

Rod

Last edited by rodteague; 12-21-17 at 03:42 PM.
rodteague is offline  
Old 12-21-17, 04:13 PM
  #124  
Vintage_Cyclist
Senior Member
 
Vintage_Cyclist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Big Apple
Posts: 1,258

Bikes: yes

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 328 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts
Originally Posted by rodteague View Post
How did you conclude the Sequoia is a Miki built frame? I agree it is a Japanese frame, but to my knowledge the only confirmed Japanese builders of Sequoia's are 3Rensho and Miyata. There were "other small builders" but determining who they were has been impossible to figure, until maybe now ......? I love the bike BTW, wish I still had mine
Japan sticker on the frame, Miki-format serial number, Jim Merz being cited here as having owned a Miki-built 82 Sequoia, 1982 was pre-Miyata or Merida and multiple threads here, Velobase and elsewhere.

I'd put my confidence at about 90% that it's a Miki-built frame.
Vintage_Cyclist is offline  
Old 12-21-17, 06:42 PM
  #125  
rodteague
Enjoying the ride
 
rodteague's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 103

Bikes: 1986 Raleigh Technium 440, 1989 Bianchi Alante, 1991 Specialized Sirrus

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 49 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Vintage_Cyclist View Post
Japan sticker on the frame, Miki-format serial number, Jim Merz being cited here as having owned a Miki-built 82 Sequoia, 1982 was pre-Miyata or Merida and multiple threads here, Velobase and elsewhere.

I'd put my confidence at about 90% that it's a Miki-built frame.
I've read and even participated on several new threads regarding early 1980's Specialized Bicycles. Not a single one can verify with certainty that Miki produced Specialized frames. Don't get me wrong, when I am finally in a position to purchase another Sequoia or even a Expedition, I would love to be able to identify it's manufacturer. I was hoping you had additional info from Neenan or Bainsworth who were actually there during the japanese production days. They are the best we have because both have gone on record regarding 3rensho and Miyata. Not doubting the posters sincerity but the Merz reference is hearsay until a authoritative document is produced that has quotes, recorded voice, or is in his own hand. It would be nice if Specialized would release records, or publish an accurate history of it's bicycles and manufacturers, but alas we have virtually nothing from them. It would seem the S/N would be the last word but even you will have to admit that other "authorities" on this forum have called Miki's manufacturing role into question. Is it possible they made a few Sequoia's? Yes, very possible. Verifiable? No, not verifiable to 100% at this point.

Best answer is, we may never know; and, that Specialized bicycles were made in Japan until the fall of the yen in 1986. Which means Miki could have made bicycles for Specialized between 1982 and 1986. 1987 marked the year all production was moved to and started in Taiwan. I actually posed a question on another thread that Bryant Bainsworth mentioned that they(Specialized) used "other builders" besides 3Rensho and specifically because they were loosing design control with Miyata. Could that mean Miki might be one of those "other builders"? No one wanted to step out on a limb. I'm open to the possibility, and I hope you eventually find out that your Sequoia was definitely built in the Miki shop; it would make it a rare one indeed.

Best Regards

Rod

Last edited by rodteague; 12-21-17 at 06:58 PM.
rodteague is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.