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Old 09-28-15, 11:45 AM
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My Team Pro, on the 'official' Raleigh USA scale:





20.3ish. I tried it with and without air in the tires, but insufficient resolution in the scale to note the difference. (But do note that's with the spare holding toe strap.)
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Wow - this thread is warming up! Very cool pic's especially the ones with the scale ^^.

Amazing how light some of these vintage rides are (Chombi... !). Really cool to see those in keeping with the period and lighter components, yet knowing could shed those numbers by modernizing.
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Just as I suspected, modernish Ergo stuff weighs more than vintage Super/Nuovo Record:



22.40LBS:



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Meta question: What are you using for scales? Some of you admit to using the bathroom scale. I actually don't have a bathroom scale. In fact, all I have is an OXO food scale:

11 lb Food Scale with Pull-Out Display - Food Scales - OXO

which only goes to 11 pounds (great as a postal scale for most things though).

Given that I'm not going to be weighing bikes very often, the Park and Feedback Sports scales seem to be a bit of overkill. What have people found which seems reliable and costs less than $40?
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Originally Posted by Gary Fountain View Post
My lightest - 20 1/2 lbs. No fancy lightweight stuff except the pedals - Campy Super Record track versions.



1982 Colnago Mexico.
Nice! Even with the added weight of gold, you're under 21lbs. Cool

Beauty.

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Originally Posted by gioscinelli View Post
95 Cinelli SC 18.5 lbs

Wow! I wonder how you achieved this? This is about 3 lbs lighter than mine (weighed without any of its accoutrements via the scientific bathroom scale method):



It looks like mine is a size bigger, but still.

(The majority of my bikes seem to weigh 21 and change, incidentally.)
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Originally Posted by smontanaro View Post
Meta question: What are you using for scales? Some of you admit to using the bathroom scale. I actually don't have a bathroom scale. In fact, all I have is an OXO food scale:

11 lb Food Scale with Pull-Out Display - Food Scales - OXO

which only goes to 11 pounds (great as a postal scale for most things though).

Given that I'm not going to be weighing bikes very often, the Park and Feedback Sports scales seem to be a bit of overkill. What have people found which seems reliable and costs less than $40?
I use one of these. It seems pretty good I guess, at least for the price.




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So what's the real weight killer on these bikes? Is it just that the frames + forks are too heavy, or is it the old components?
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I would guess the saddle, cassette, and the bottom bracket would be some of the biggest culprits.

Originally Posted by leegf View Post
Wow! I wonder how you achieved this? This is about 3 lbs lighter than mine (weighed without any of its accoutrements via the scientific bathroom scale method):



It looks like mine is a size bigger, but still.

(The majority of my bikes seem to weigh 21 and change, incidentally.)
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Weighed without the spare inner tube. The Wheels are light as Mavic Kysrium Elite set, it's Campagnolo's Record hubs with TI spindles coupled with Record carbon components. The equipment on your Cinelli is Campagnolo Record C, like on my Gios Professional which weighs 22.8 lbs, Record C is not for weight weeny's. The frame fork are columbus SLX tubing.
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Wow! I wonder how you achieved this? This is about 3 lbs lighter than mine (weighed without any of its accoutrements via the scientific bathroom scale method):



It looks like mine is a size bigger, but still.

(The majority of my bikes seem to weigh 21 and change, incidentally.)
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Originally Posted by due ruote View Post
I use one of these. It seems pretty good I guess, at least for the price.
Thanks. I saw all those cheapo scales and figured it couldn't possibly be accurate or last for very long given the extremely low price. Maybe I'll just give one of them a try. Cheap experiment, at least.
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Originally Posted by Vinnems View Post
So what's the real weight killer on these bikes? Is it just that the frames + forks are too heavy, or is it the old components?
It seems to me there aren't many bike with weight-killer issues here! But to answer your question, it is a combination of things. If you save, say, 100g (for example by using a nice, expensive RD) on four different items you still haven't saved a pound. You can't save a whole pound on most single components because they don't weigh a pound to begin with. The only components capable of saving much weight are the large one. A few pounds on the frame might be possible over a mid-price frame. Or light wheels, perhaps. I have a hard time seeing where I could save substantial weight on my lighter bikes. All of which is to say the essence if weight-weenieism is a large number small savings.
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Old 09-28-15, 03:08 PM
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Thanks Sir_Name and DD. Yes DD, some of the old stuff (Nuovo/Super equipped) could be pretty light as you say. I must admit that I was really surprised by the weight of my Colnago Mexico. I have another bike, a Cinelli Supercorsa built with SPX but fitted out with a very similar Super Record groupset (Cobalto brakes) and Super Record pedals along with an alloy Zeus freewheel and OMAS alloy bolt kit that weighs 1lb more (21 1/2 lbs) than the Colnago. The Cinelli is built with a thicker walled tubing (as you know) but the Colnago Mexico's were built with a pretty nice, and thin tubed Columbus tube set.

1985 Cinelli Supercorsa 21 1/2 lbs - no Drillium but lots of nice alloy stuff:



Compared to a 20 1/2 lb - 1982 Colnago Mexico with 50th gruppo:



Oh, I forgot to mention, the Colnago has a lightweight alloy Campagnolo 6 speed freewheel:



DD, your Orange Colnago is one of my all time favourites - perfect in my eyes:

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Old 09-28-15, 06:08 PM
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Guerciotti...20.1 Columbus SL & full Super Record(has some weight weenie bits...Omas Ti BB, Vittoria Superlite pedals with Cinelli aluminum toe clips, aluminum quill stem bolt)

Cannondale H400...25.2 This one surprised me as it seemed lighter and I ride this everyday to the post office. The geometry looks weird as it's originally a Hybrid frame that normally came with flat bars.


753 Paramount...18.1 lbs
My American themed build with Sram Red/Force group, Williams wheels, Thomson stem/seatpost(the stem is on the Philemon as I snapped a Ti bolt in the 3T stem that's supposed to be on it). The bike came with a Kinesis aluminum fork but that quickly came off and picked up a Time carbon fork from a member here.

Philemon...17.9 lbs
I built this in Doug Fattic's class in the summer of '11. Mixture of Nova tubes, Deda, Columbus and 8/5/8 top/down tubes. Not too bad weight wise for also having a steel fork. 650c.
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Originally Posted by Vinnems View Post
So what's the real weight killer on these bikes? Is it just that the frames + forks are too heavy, or is it the old components?
Some old components are weight killers, for example on my Bianchi shown on page 2:

Original Campy Seatpost 240 grams
Original San Marco Concor saddle 370 grams
Original Campy Nuovo Record pedals with clips and straps 466 grams
Total 1076 grams

New Thomson Masterpiece Post 156 grams
Prologo Saddle 200 grams
Look Keo carbon pedals 230 grams
Total 586 grams

Knocked off 490 grams or 1.08 lbs

Sorry for showing my inner weight weenie
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I can't mix and match eras of components. If I'm going to update it then it's going full throttle and vise versa.
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A week or so ago, I rode a century with my sister-in-law's brother, who came up from Houston with his backup bike, an aluminum Raleigh something-or-other (I have it in the basement). I noticed that he had an American Classic front wheel, and something different on the back. He'd bought an AC wheelset, but broke the rear wheel, so had put back on the original rear wheel, which he told me "is about five pounds heavier than the American Classic". I'm sure the "five pounds" was a bit of hyperbole, but you needn't have old gear to have high weight.

I realize my Brooks and Ideale saddles are heavier than available modern counterparts, but I'm not going to give up the comfort to save a couple hundred grams.
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21lbs as it sits without pedals. Original 105SC group except for Tektro levers and Ultegra 6600 hubs w/ spacer. I do have a lighter cartridge bottom bracket and CK headset on order. Light enough for me.



23lbs with pedals, '94 Axis TR, True Temper TT Lite, completely original

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Originally Posted by crank_addict View Post
Post what you got and total weight ~

Without getting into opinions of what matters and where shedding weight gives an advantage, I just thought it be fun to get a real weigh in. Kind of like fighters reading for the ring. Bike has to be dressed as ridden.

I'll start:
I've long gotten the weight weenie mentality out of my head but certainly appreciate the light weights. What I mean is my preference in chasing the components is not about lopping grams... or rather in the case of old stuff- pounds

Today was fun. Detoured and dropped by a fave LBS for a bit of 'show and tell' of this 1958 Vic Edwards in team Peugeot BP livery. I still have a few pieces to change out and ahemm... shed another 1/2 pound. Not like I'm trying but just a few neat vintage parts some maker of that era must have been conscience of weight. If going the whole 'hog' I'm confident to shredding another two pounds. But as it scales today, here's the old but handsome road warrior.

[IMG]1958 Vic Edwards - team Peugeot BP livery at idle by carrera247, on Flickr[/IMG]

[IMG]1958 Vic Edwards - team Peugeot BP livery - Wt 23 lbs 14 oz by carrera247, on Flickr[/IMG]
Wow, I LOVE that bike, just gorgeous. One thing I love about vintage bikes, is that if you get the best, it will always ride well.
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One other thing I just remembered. Over on Classic Rendezvous, somebody will come up with a sub-17-pound build for an on-topic bike with on-topic parts a couple times a year (1984 or earlier, no indexing, no clipless pedals, no CF, aluminum or paper thin OS tubes in the frame, etc). I don't believe most of them are spending gobs of money sending parts to Jon Williams or @Drillium Dude either, though they might be spending gobs of money on the occasional unobtanium or titanium bit - pedal or hub axles, OMAS bolts and nuts. They are just using the best and lightest of what was available BITD.
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Sophia, my Torpado circa 1961:





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I'll have to wait till the next time I go on a short weekend tour to weigh my 85 Schwinn Le Tour Luxe fully loaded with everything ready to go, it's just too much of a hassle to put it all together just to weigh it then take it all apart.
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... it's just too much of a hassle to put it all together just to weigh it then take it all apart.
When I want to weight a bike I take it all apart, weigh all the parts, then put it back together. It weighs way less that way. But yeah, it is a lot of work.
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1992 Davidson is my lightest at 20.88, but I don't really think of that one as vintage.

1978 Motobecane Team Champion is a close 2nd at 21.49.

This 1973 Gran Sport is 25.16, but that's as shown with fenders, spare tubes, blinky and pump.
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'76 Raleigh Professional: 58cm c-c, 700x28 folding Pasella = 23.2#
'80 Nishiki International: 58cm c-c, 27x1 1/8 steel bead Pasella= 23.6#
'00 Cannondale R600: 58cm c-c, 700x28 steel bead Vittoria = 21.6
'95 Trek ZX7000: 19" frame, 26x1.95 folding Dred Tread = 25.95

All weights are without water bottles or handlebar bags but otherwise as shown.

I bought one of those real cheap digital fish scales mentioned earlier ($3.00 and free shipping via Amazon) and it seems to work just fine. I calibrated it with 3 gallons of water and it read 0.7# high so I deduct that error from the readouts for each bike.
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