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Old 10-09-15, 02:47 PM
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need complete clincher wheelset for PX10

I'm looking for a complete front and rear clincher wheelset for PX10. I'm told that 700 x 32 tires will work on the PX10. Freewheel already installed is optional. They are intended for touring and riding around. Part info would help if I can't get a complete set.
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- what year?
- my favorite vintage clincher is the mavic ma2, but they're hard to find.
- i usually build my own using sun m13ii rims, sapim race spokes and the upside down bike frame as a stand. (a 28mm tire is about the max width for those rims.)
- nearly anyone can build good wheels using sheldon's wheelbuilding page and following it to a 't.'
- craigslist often is the best source for used wheelsets.
- if dismountng a fully inflated rear wheel from the drops is important, ensure you can do this with a 32mm tire in your px10. i doubt my '73 pr10 would allow that.
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Is that a 72 PX10? It would have come with 27" wheels and tires. Has it already been converted to 700C wheels and tires? If not, you are probably going to need to replace the brake calipers so the 700C wheels that you are asking for will work. 700C wheels and tires are smaller in diameter than 27" wheels, and the existing brakes used with the original 27" wheel usually will not work with 700C wheels.

I take it that PX10 is also has a 5-speed freewheel. That would make the distance between the rear dropouts 120mm. Converting to new 126mm 6/7 speed wheels or 130mm 8,9,10 speed wheels is going to require having the rear dropout spacing reset to 126mm or 130mm.
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Is that a 72 PX10? It would have come with 27" wheels and tires. Has it already been converted to 700C wheels and tires? If not, you are probably going to need to replace the brake calipers so the 700C wheels that you are asking for will work. 700C wheels and tires are smaller in diameter than 27" wheels, and the existing brakes used with the original 27" wheel usually will not work with 700C wheels.

I take it that PX10 is also has a 5-speed freewheel. That would make the distance between the rear dropouts 120mm. Converting to new 126mm 6/7 speed wheels or 130mm 8,9,10 speed wheels is going to require having the rear dropout spacing reset to 126mm or 130mm.
Not true. A 1972 would have tubular rims and these would be a 622 size, AKA 700c.

From Sheldon Brown;

"Full-sized tubulars fit rims of the same diameter as 622 mm (700c) clinchers. This size is sometimes referred to as "28 inch" or "700". It is also, confusingly, sometimes referred to as "27 inch." The "27 inch" designation is inaccurate and obsolete, but you'll sometimes run into it in older printed material."
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Spreading a frame from 120 mm (5 speed) to 126 mm (6-7 speed) is no big deal. The frame can be spread. A competent shop can build you the wheels you want. If you are more of a do it yourselfer, you can either build 700c wheels, find a used set, or buy a new one like these wheels from velomine, Sun CR18 Road Bike Sealed Bearing 700c Wheelset 126mm Rear [072774744381] - $120.00 Velomine.com : Worldwide Bicycle Shop, fixed gear track bike wheelsets campagnolo super record vintage bike


The freewheel on your existing bike may not work (depends on the threading of the existing hubs) but new and used freewheels are available.
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Not necessarily the cheapest or best solution, however Velo Orange offers 700c rims mounted to high flange hubs that are 126mm wide at the rear drop-out. Your PX10 has a 122mm rear dropour. a 126mm will fit, especially if you have a skilled framebuilder or mechanic spread the rear triangle 4mm. The 126mm wide rear hub will fit a 6 speed freewheel.

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If you are looking for stock Normandy Competition hubs laced to nice 27" clincher rims, I have a set of those.

For 700c rims this would be a particularly precious wheelset that would fetch top dollar.

The Normandy rear hub will not need much added drive-side spacing to fit a standard 6s freewheel, still within the frame's 121mm spacing and can be built up into a very strong wheel.
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If you want era, go with Weinmann "concave". These are the 27x1 1/4". Nice, classy clinchers.
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Why not just cold set it to 130 mm. Or do french bikes just lay down and surrender when you do that?
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Look up the recent post on CR. I don't know what year they're from but might be 'plug and play'. cheers
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Originally Posted by crank_addict View Post
Look up the recent post on CR. I don't know what year they're from but might be 'plug and play'. cheers
I think that's a tubular wheelset that was offered.
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I have Mavic ModuleE with Nuv. Tippo campy hubs, the ride is spectacular. 700x25 but will double check
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I have a '72 with the Bocama lugs and slack geometry. No way was I going to put clinchers on that bike when there are so many good choices out there for tubulars (such as Sprinter Gatorskins).

If that thought seems scary, you can always use mounting tape to replace the glue.

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Building rims into wheels is not in my wheelhouse, yet and may never be.

New 700c for $120.

Sun CR18 Road Bike Sealed Bearing 700c Wheelset 126mm Rear [072774744381] - $120.00 Velomine.com : Worldwide Bicycle Shop, fixed gear track bike wheelsets campagnolo super record vintage bike

Also available as 27"

Sun CR18 27 5,6,7 Speed Freewheel hubs Road Bike Wheelset [72274726665] - $115.00 Velomine.com : Worldwide Bicycle Shop, fixed gear track bike wheelsets campagnolo super record vintage bike
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Originally Posted by kunsunoke View Post
... If that thought seems scary, you can always use mounting tape to replace the glue. ...
OK, dumb newbie questions from a (really) old school guy. I rode tubulars in Los Angeles through the entire 1970s decade and always used glue, because that was our only option back in the Paleozoic Era. I gave them up a couple of months after moving to north coastal San Diego County and discovering goat head thorns.

1. How puncture-resistant are today's touring tubulars?
2. Does sealant work effectively with modern tubulars?
3. Is double-sided sticky tape really a secure way to mount tires, or is glue still the safest option?

I have the original tubular rims that came with my Sieger, and since I have several other bikes, I am strongly considering using new spokes with the original Campag. high flange hubs and either original or new tubular rims. I guess a rare 55-year-old high-end racing bike should have tubulars, and it would fun to fold and strap a spare under the saddle, as I did for many years.
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Originally Posted by cadman101 View Post
I'm looking for a complete front and rear clincher wheelset for PX10. I'm told that 700 x 32 tires will work on the PX10. Freewheel already installed is optional. They are intended for touring and riding around. Part info would help if I can't get a complete set.
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Welcome to the forum.

Maillard 500 do? 6/7 freewheel, Matrix Titan dark anodized clinchers. 700c. Freewheel would be 7-sp Shimano.....not French (but would work fine).
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Originally Posted by John E View Post
1. How puncture-resistant are today's touring tubulars?
2. Does sealant work effectively with modern tubulars?
3. Is double-sided sticky tape really a secure way to mount tires, or is glue still the safest option?
1. Much better than they used to be, but not puncture-proof. Depends which ones you buy. Kevlar is good.
2. Yes. Works with tubeless and tubular pretty well. I don't pre-seal, but carry a valve core tool and sealant (and air).
3. Yes, just as secure and just as safe. This, IMHO.

By the way, PM sent on the Maillard 500/Matrix set. Not bad set of French wheels for that P'joe.
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Thanks for all the input. Good info. I just may stay with tubulars for now just so I can get her up and running again. My other problem with my tubular rims is the front skewer has gone missing. Anyone have a spare that is 100mm?
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Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
Not necessarily the cheapest or best solution, however Velo Orange offers 700c rims mounted to high flange hubs that are 126mm wide at the rear drop-out. Your PX10 has a 122mm rear dropour. a 126mm will fit, especially if you have a skilled framebuilder or mechanic spread the rear triangle 4mm. The 126mm wide rear hub will fit a 6 speed freewheel.

Grand Cru PBP Rear Wheel (High Flange Freewheel Hub 700c, 126mm) - 700c & 29er - Complete Wheels - Wheels, Rims, Hubs & Accessories - Components

Grand Cru PBP Front Wheel (High Flange Hub, 700c) - 700c & 29er - Complete Wheels - Wheels, Rims, Hubs & Accessories - Components

This may be the best solution to go clincher. Watched a DIY how to spread frame from 126mm to 130mm between the dropouts but don't know about doing that.

This is a nice pair, what do you think?
Sun CR18 Road Bike Sealed Bearing 700c Wheelset 126mm Rear [072774744381] - $120.00 Velomine.com : Worldwide Bicycle Shop, fixed gear track bike wheelsets campagnolo super record vintage bike
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Either 27" or 700c rims will work. The MAFAC brakes will adjust to fit either one. I've used both on my PX10 in the 40 years that I've owned it.

I use Tufo tape to mount my tubulars. It works for me.
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Originally Posted by cadman101 View Post
This may be the best solution to go clincher. Watched a DIY how to spread frame from 126mm to 130mm between the dropouts but don't know about doing that.

This is a nice pair, what do you think?
Sun CR18 Road Bike Sealed Bearing 700c Wheelset 126mm Rear [072774744381] - $120.00 Velomine.com : Worldwide Bicycle Shop, fixed gear track bike wheelsets campagnolo super record vintage bike
Yes, I have this exact set, and they perform perfectly. The rim is strong, without being excessively heavy. The rim has a retro look that belongs on a good vintage bike. It's great for 25 to 35mm wide tires. No better value will be found.
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Originally Posted by oddjob2
Building rims into wheels is not in my wheelhouse, yet and may never be.
odd, oddjob. B^) surprises me coming from someone so prolific and knowledgeable.

how many bikes have you fully overhauled now? surpassed 100 yet?

once you build one rear wheel, you'll feel like you can do it again and again.

i just wish someone had told me how easy it is when i first started. woulda saved hundreds.

sun m13ii rims are so easy to build up too. with sapim race spokes, you can build great wheels on vintage (campy?) hubs for $100.
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odd, oddjob. B^) surprises me coming from someone so prolific and knowledgeable.

how many bikes have you fully overhauled now? surpassed 100 yet?
Right around 200 +/- 10%
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My other problem with my tubular rims is the front skewer has gone missing. Anyone have a spare that is 100mm?
Are you looking to replace the original skewer? They are pricey....if you just want a 100mm skewer, they are a dime a dozen and can be found anywhere.
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OK, dumb newbie questions from a (really) old school guy. (SNIP)

1. How puncture-resistant are today's touring tubulars?
Conti Sprinter Gatorskins resist just about everything PA roads offer up, and are very good on chip seal.

2. Does sealant work effectively with modern tubulars?
Yes. Best performance is with butyl tubes, though.

3. Is double-sided sticky tape really a secure way to mount tires, or is glue still the safest option?
It works. Tufo's tape is tolerant of bad weather and prolonged downhills in 90 degree heat. it is not necessary to use Tufo's own tires, either. The adhesive is consistent on both sides of the carrier, which means it's more consistent than many bike shops are with mastic.

I have the original tubular rims that came with my Sieger, and since I have several other bikes, I am strongly considering using new spokes with the original Campag. high flange hubs and either original or new tubular rims. I guess a rare 55-year-old high-end racing bike should have tubulars, and it would fun to fold and strap a spare under the saddle, as I did for many years.
What you buy should be determined by how you ride. The 25mm Contis I have in the PX-10 aren't the best aesthetic match but they work, encourage me to ride - which is what really matters.
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