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Old 10-28-15, 08:52 AM
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I've been told that during the winter I should ride tempo...

So now I will ride Tempo!

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But now I am in a dilemma. I went to purchase this bike off of craigslist with the intention of using it as a commuter that would get locked up outside at school. Now that I have it, I almost feel like it is too nice to lock up. The bike came to me in completely original condition, including the Concor Supercorsa saddle and Sakae seatpost (which have been swapped out). It came with the original tires on it. They are still soft, unused, and definitely rideable, but they measure out to about 20mm wide. Not wide enough for me. Even the spoke protector was still on the bike, and the plastic hadn't even started to yellow!

There are also a few things I'd like to swap out on the bike, but with having it in it's complete original form, I'd almost feel bad removing certain things. I'd like to swap a 130mm stem on there and a more modern shape drop bar, but would it be wrong to sell the original Cinelli gear to fund this? Also, these Wolber rims just aren't going to hold my weight, especially riding in the streets of Atlanta. I DO have a set of Velocity Deep V rims that were gifted to me by a friend that would be ideal to relace to the 105 hubs, but I don't know if it would be in my best interest to leave the Wolbers laced up and source another set of hubs. Ughhh. decisions decisions

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Ha, well played!

As for the stem/bars, I wouldn't feel too bad about swapping to something that'll have you riding the bike in better comfort. It's kind of weird, although probably explainable, to have a mishmash of 105 for most of the bike, and a particular model of Cinelli bars that necessitate a matching stem.

Have you tried tilting the Cinelli's up a little?
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WOW!!! Really sharp looking tempo. I'd find another bike to lock up at school.
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Nice ride. Check that auction site for a replacement stem. There are plenty that will be absolute replacements or, at least, look the same. How much do you weigh? Those wheels are high spoke count and should hold up well. I have ridden bikes with box rims for a long time and have had no problem. Just make sure they are true and properly tensioned.
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott
Ha, well played!

As for the stem/bars, I wouldn't feel too bad about swapping to something that'll have you riding the bike in better comfort. It's kind of weird, although probably explainable, to have a mishmash of 105 for most of the bike, and a particular model of Cinelli bars that necessitate a matching stem.

Have you tried tilting the Cinelli's up a little?
Not uncommon for these Tenax Schwinns. Mrs. Trotsky's 1986 Super Sport has full Shimano 600 with a Cinelli cockpit too. Stock as the day it was brazed.
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Nice! +1, depending on your school, you better at least have a good lock. Then there's the weather...

I also agree about setting up the bike so it's comfortable. It's a nice bike, but it's not like you're contemplating putting modern kit on a vintage constructeur.

I have also recently decided to set aside the Cinelli bars from my Motobecane and try some Nitto Noodles. They might look a bit out of place, but I think I'll enjoy riding it more with a flat ramp behind the hoods.

So...what happened to the Concor?
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Originally Posted by Frreed
Nice ride. Check that auction site for a replacement stem. There are plenty that will be absolute replacements or, at least, look the same. How much do you weigh? Those wheels are high spoke count and should hold up well. I have ridden bikes with box rims for a long time and have had no problem. Just make sure they are true and properly tensioned.
+1. Those wheels are plenty sturdy. I'd rather ride box rims than deep v if I were worried about weight.
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Really pretty. I wouldn't hesitate to commute on it, but only on dry days. You know you're not gonna get both fenders and a bigger tire on that thing. Are most of your commuting days dry ones down there in GA? The bike's not historical/collectible enough to worry about keeping the original bits, which are easy enough to find anyway, if you want to go back to original. I've got a couple sets of bars (Modolo and Sakae) with the more modern shape and a 125mm black stem I could swap you if you're interested. PM me if you want pix/measurements on those bars. What's that stem you have on there measure, 110?
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott
Ha, well played!

As for the stem/bars, I wouldn't feel too bad about swapping to something that'll have you riding the bike in better comfort. It's kind of weird, although probably explainable, to have a mishmash of 105 for most of the bike, and a particular model of Cinelli bars that necessitate a matching stem.

Have you tried tilting the Cinelli's up a little?
The Cinelli's came tilted up. :/ That made the hoods more comfortable, but the drops completely unusable. This is a large reason for why I want to swap them. I'll likely be putting a good bit of mileage on the bike over the winter beyond commuting, and I would appreciate the multiple hand positions.

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WOW!!! Really sharp looking tempo. I'd find another bike to lock up at school.
Thanks! This is my thought, although, despite out location we have fairly low bike theft on campus. I have a seen quite a few nice bikes on campus and occasionally unlocked bikes that for whatever reason go missing. I WAS looking for something "less nice", but the price was right on this one for a "beater". AHHHH!!!

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Nice ride. Check that auction site for a replacement stem. There are plenty that will be absolute replacements or, at least, look the same. How much do you weigh? Those wheels are high spoke count and should hold up well. I have ridden bikes with box rims for a long time and have had no problem. Just make sure they are true and properly tensioned.
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+1. Those wheels are plenty sturdy. I'd rather ride box rims than deep v if I were worried about weight.
220lbs. I just haven't had much luck with box section rims in the past. The last couple of years I've switched to deep section rims on most of my rides and they have been bomb proof. I'd don't want to be hopping this bike off of curbs, but I like having the option haha.

Not worried about the weight of the deep v's. Right now, as pictured, the bikes comes in right at 24lbs...which is about the same weight of my bmx bike that I often commute to class on. A few extra grams shouldn't hurt.

Plus, the rims I have are a nice pewter color, and I am curious to see how they'd look on the bike regardless.

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Nice! +1, depending on your school, you better at least have a good lock. Then there's the weather...

I also agree about setting up the bike so it's comfortable. It's a nice bike, but it's not like you're contemplating putting modern kit on a vintage constructeur.

I have also recently decided to set aside the Cinelli bars from my Motobecane and try some Nitto Noodles. They might look a bit out of place, but I think I'll enjoy riding it more with a flat ramp behind the hoods.

So...what happened to the Concor?
U-lock through the rear wheel and frame, and I'll be swapping the quick release for a bolt on skewer in the front

nice to have some reassurance!
I'm tempted to give the deda elementi piega rhm bar a go. The pricing on them is reasonable and the bend should suit me well.



As for the Concor, it's around...

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Far too nice to lock up at school...
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Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman
Really pretty. I wouldn't hesitate to commute on it, but only on dry days. You know you're not gonna get both fenders and a bigger tire on that thing. Are most of your commuting days dry ones down there in GA? The bike's not historical/collectible enough to worry about keeping the original bits, which are easy enough to find anyway, if you want to go back to original. I've got a couple sets of bars (Modolo and Sakae) with the more modern shape and a 125mm black stem I could swap you if you're interested. PM me if you want pix/measurements on those bars. What's that stem you have on there measure, 110?
Typically dry, but as luck would have it, the day after I bring it home it started raining, and it hasn't stopped. Although I wasn't sure if it was the best idea at the time, I now have no regrets staying out past midnight to get my first ride on it. haha

I'll have to throw a tape measure on it, but I do believe it is a 110mm.
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Sooooo, things have changed a bit. I hope this isn't too blasphemous...



All I have to do is grind off the extra bosses and the rear derailleur hanger.









just kidding!
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Looks comfortable. Get straight A's and all will be forgiven... except drewing.

Are those cranking bolts aluminium? Bad news if you ride Fixed on that.

Tempo's are nice, mine's an 88
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Originally Posted by theblackbullet
Sooooo, things have changed a bit. I hope this isn't too blasphemous...



All I have to do is grind off the extra bosses and the rear derailleur hanger.









just kidding!
Hahaha, you had me there for a minute. 😁 Nice bike. 😎
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Originally Posted by 3speedslow
Looks comfortable. Get straight A's and all will be forgiven... except drewing.

Are those cranking bolts aluminium? Bad news if you ride Fixed on that.

Tempo's are nice, mine's an 88
I would never drew a bike! haha

I never had any issues with the alloy bolts that came stock with the crankset on my track bike, but these are steel. I prefer to save the fixed gear nonsense for the velodrome. This is singlespeed with a coaster brake.

The fit was never great for me with drop bars, but I enjoy the ride so much that I've kept it around long enough for it to evolve into it's current form!
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I would never drew a bike! haha

I never had any issues with the alloy bolts that came stock with the crankset on my track bike, but these are steel. I prefer to save the fixed gear nonsense for the velodrome. This is singlespeed with a coaster brake.

The fit was never great for me with drop bars, but I enjoy the ride so much that I've kept it around long enough for it to evolve into it's current form!
Did you try the Deda bar ?

How does the frame behave with the rack loaded? Thanks for checking back in with a follow up to your story.
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Originally Posted by 3speedslow
Did you try the Deda bar ?

How does the frame behave with the rack loaded? Thanks for checking back in with a follow up to your story.
I did, and I really enjoyed it! I'm not sure if I ever took any pictures of it, but for a while I had it built up with that bar and a 140mm stem. The fit was better, but the 140mm stem made the bike handle funny.

I haven't loaded it up with much more than a 12pack of beer, but it does really well with the weight on the front. I really like that the rack works without any brazeons or eyelets
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I think the whole look of the bike is just right. Being functionable is the vindication.

Great job @theblackbullet
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I haven't loaded it up with much more than a 12pack of beer, but it does really well with the weight on the front. I really like that the rack works without any brazeons or eyelets
What rack is that?! Bike looks great BTW.
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Originally Posted by 3speedslow
I think the whole look of the bike is just right. Being functionable is the vindication.

Great job @theblackbullet
thanks!

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What rack is that?! Bike looks great BTW.
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What sort of tire clearance do you have on this frame?


And chainring clearance? Thinking about picking one up...
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But, but, but ... to ride tempo in the winter properly you have to take that derailleur off and put on a fix gear wheel. 42-17 or 18 or 19. (Subtract a tooth for a 39t chainring. Better, get a 42 that will fit your crankset, some single chainring length chainring bolts and do it right. (And save your summer 39t chainring for summer.)

Those of us who lived and raced backin those days usually had a second bike for winter. (Google John Allis for some fun reads on the example he set for the New England racing community in the '70s.)

A little aside - I am setting up my old Peter Mooney to ride Cycle Oregon fixed, including the long stretches of gravel on three days. I ordered the bike 38 years ago with horizontal dropouts like yours just so I could do this if I wanted. I have always had a second bike set up fixed so I never took advantage or them. But I cannot put big tires on either of my two current fix gears. I can run 35c on the Mooney (just barely - I have to jam the tire into the chainstays to get the wheel far enough forward to get it on. Chainstay clearance on the biggest cog I can run is ~2mm each side.

Edit: I didn't catch that the post I answered is old. I see your bike has evolved. I like bikes that have been modified to do what their owners want. Good work.

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Originally Posted by Shinkers
What sort of tire clearance do you have on this frame?


And chainring clearance? Thinking about picking one up...
28 for sure. I want to say that I have tried to fit a 32 but ran into clearance issues with the brake bridge in the rear. That was also with the wheel all of the way forward in the dropout.

To fix the chainline with the single speed conversion, I went to a 110mm bottom bracket spindle and had to mount the chainring on the inside of the spider. 39t is kind of tight in there. I think I could fit a 42t. If you have a wheel that sets the rear cog further out, sky's the limit.

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But, but, but ... to ride tempo in the winter properly you have to take that derailleur off and put on a fix gear wheel. 42-17 or 18 or 19. (Subtract a tooth for a 39t chainring. Better, get a 42 that will fit your crankset, some single chainring length chainring bolts and do it right. (And save your summer 39t chainring for summer.)

Those of us who lived and raced backin those days usually had a second bike for winter. (Google John Allis for some fun reads on the example he set for the New England racing community in the '70s.)

A little aside - I am setting up my old Peter Mooney to ride Cycle Oregon fixed, including the long stretches of gravel on three days. I ordered the bike 38 years ago with horizontal dropouts like yours just so I could do this if I wanted. I have always had a second bike set up fixed so I never took advantage or them. But I cannot put big tires on either of my two current fix gears. I can run 35c on the Mooney (just barely - I have to jam the tire into the chainstays to get the wheel far enough forward to get it on. Chainstay clearance on the biggest cog I can run is ~2mm each side.

Edit: I didn't catch that the post I answered is old. I see your bike has evolved. I like bikes that have been modified to do what their owners want. Good work.

Ben
As a track racer at heart, I do end up throwing brakes on my track bike and riding it a bit during the offseason! Will do!

Sounds like a sweet ride. One of my biggest draws to classic and vintage is the versatility of a lot these bikes. It really is like playing with legos.

Thanks!
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