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Old 11-03-15, 10:52 AM
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80s Marinoni Special

So I ended up buying the Marinoni I mentioned in this post:

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...l#post18088018

Turns out its an 89 Special and a 53cm, not 54cm as advertised by the seller.... so many people don't know how to measure a frame despite clear instructions given on how to....anyhow, purchased it and I had it repainted at Marinoni in Montreal.

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I'll be replacing some of the original parts as follows:

Replace original Campy monoplanar calipers with Nouvo Record calipers...unsure which levers to pair with though...
Replace original Campy Synchro shifters with some NOS Simplex Retro shifters..always loved the Simplex
Replace original Cinelli bar/stem with an longer NOS Cinelli stem and wider (64-42) Cinelli bars.

Couple questions I have:

1) I had the rear triangle spread to 130mm. I want at least (or most) an 8sp cassette but I'm unsure which freehub/cassette combo to go with. It doesn't even necessarily have to be Campy as I hear replacing the cassettes is way more expensive than Shimano, so I'm open to that. Any suggestions?

2) Marinoni re-installed the original BB (athena?? chorus??) but it doesn't turn smoothly, so I took it apart and noticed loose bearings rather than bearings in a race. I've tried to re-adjust the BB but for the life of me I can't eliminate all of the play without it turning roughly. Is this because of the loose bearings? Any idea what size / number there should be? I'm now thinking of replacing the entire BB.


Thanks in advance, any suggestions are much appreciated.
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Old 11-03-15, 11:48 AM
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Very nice.
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8 speed Campy cassettes are harder to find since Campy doesn't make them anymore, while Shimano still makes all of the backwards compatible stuff. 8 speed Dura Ace would look just dandy with downtube shifters.
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Originally Posted by icepick_trotsky View Post
8 speed Campy cassettes are harder to find since Campy doesn't make them anymore, while Shimano still makes all of the backwards compatible stuff. 8 speed Dura Ace would look just dandy with downtube shifters.
So 8sp Dura Ace freehub and cassette? Is there a specific era you're referring to?
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Originally Posted by figc View Post
So 8sp Dura Ace freehub and cassette? Is there a specific era you're referring to?
Are you going all Shimano or using the Campy gear with a Shimano cassette/freehub? If the former, Dura Ace 7400. If the latter, get any old Shimano spaced freehub or freewheel. The 8 speed Campy shifters have compatible spacing with 7 speed Shimano. Just limit out the last click. You may need a spacer.
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Is there damage to the races of the bottom bracket bearings? You should be able to get it smooth, new balls? Grade 25? Correct number? What is it, 10 per side? I don't even remember... been so long. anyway you can get a traditional cup and cone replacement I am sure. I am guessing you need 111mm for that 1st gen chorus crank. The 1st gen chorus is one of my favorite groups from that era.

I am going to give my unsolicited opinion. Put the monoplanar brakes back on! They are beautiful and the old record just look wrong!

Beautiful marinoni. I have been thinking about sending my 1981 back for some time.
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Loose (i.e. not 'caged') bearings in the BB, in and of themselves, shouldn't be a problem.

Velobase say 11x 1/4" bearing balls per side for an Athena BB of that era:

VeloBase.com - Component: Campagnolo D0H0, Athena

You can seek info for other models there if that's not what you have.

Does the BB show any notable wear (run a fingernail over the bearing contact surfaces; visually inspection of same)?

Only so many variables there (completeness, condition, adjustment). If it continues to give you trouble, easy enough to replace w/ a low-maintenance cartridge unit...

Why replace the monoplanar calipers? Have problems with them? I would tend to think that the most appropriate levers would be the C-Record era Athena/Chorus/Record levers (either aero or non)...but that same logic would apply all around, from my own point of view.
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Originally Posted by icepick_trotsky View Post
Are you going all Shimano or using the Campy gear with a Shimano cassette/freehub? If the former, Dura Ace 7400. If the latter, get any old Shimano spaced freehub or freewheel. The 8 speed Campy shifters have compatible spacing with 7 speed Shimano. Just limit out the last click. You may need a spacer.
I'm using all Campy except the freehub and cassette (still to purchase). I wasn't going to use index shifting but I could change my mind in the future. Dura Ace 7400....I think that would be late 80s early 90s then?
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Originally Posted by cyclotoine View Post
Is there damage to the races of the bottom bracket bearings? You should be able to get it smooth, new balls? Grade 25? Correct number? What is it, 10 per side? I don't even remember... been so long. anyway you can get a traditional cup and cone replacement I am sure. I am guessing you need 111mm for that 1st gen chorus crank. The 1st gen chorus is one of my favorite groups from that era.

I am going to give my unsolicited opinion. Put the monoplanar brakes back on! They are beautiful and the old record just look wrong!

Beautiful marinoni. I have been thinking about sending my 1981 back for some time.

So I guess since its not a problem using loose bearing in the BB I'll have to recheck the races and size/number of bearings....I think there were 11 when I counted last and the spindle and cups didn't look worn...time to open her up again....

Very much appreciate the opinion on the brakes and I agree, N.Record doesn't look right with the other components. I just don't like the fact that the brakes don't have a quick release and the Campy Aero levers I have are missing the handle bar mounting brackets. I suppose I could try to find those....but I was planning on using NOS Shimano 600 Ultegra levers with the calipers...you've given me something to think about though...thanks,
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Originally Posted by mikemowbz View Post
Loose (i.e. not 'caged') bearings in the BB, in and of themselves, shouldn't be a problem.

Velobase say 11x 1/4" bearing balls per side for an Athena BB of that era:

VeloBase.com - Component: Campagnolo D0H0, Athena

You can seek info for other models there if that's not what you have.

Does the BB show any notable wear (run a fingernail over the bearing contact surfaces; visually inspection of same)?

Only so many variables there (completeness, condition, adjustment). If it continues to give you trouble, easy enough to replace w/ a low-maintenance cartridge unit...

Why replace the monoplanar calipers? Have problems with them? I would tend to think that the most appropriate levers would be the C-Record era Athena/Chorus/Record levers (either aero or non)...but that same logic would apply all around, from my own point of view.
Come to think of it, my axle is silver, not black like vbase shows...maybe its chorus...

I guess I just never liked the monoplanar calipers since they don't have a quick release and I don't like the fact that it's on the levers themselves.
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Originally Posted by figc View Post
I'm using all Campy except the freehub and cassette (still to purchase). I wasn't going to use index shifting but I could change my mind in the future. Dura Ace 7400....I think that would be late 80s early 90s then?
If you're using friction, that makes things easy. You have many options, as Shimano freehubs remained the same design 8 through 10 speed. Dura Ace 7400 came out approx. 1986 and lasted until the early '90s.
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Originally Posted by icepick_trotsky View Post
If you're using friction, that makes things easy. You have many options, as Shimano freehubs remained the same design 8 through 10 speed. Dura Ace 7400 came out approx. 1986 and lasted until the early '90s.
Awesome, that's what I'll do then....in the end I was leaning towards Shimano for the gears but definitely wanted to hear from board members that were a little more current than me.

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So I guess since its not a problem using loose bearing in the BB I'll have to recheck the races and size/number of bearings....I think there were 11 when I counted last and the spindle and cups didn't look worn...time to open her up again....

Very much appreciate the opinion on the brakes and I agree, N.Record doesn't look right with the other components. I just don't like the fact that the brakes don't have a quick release and the Campy Aero levers I have are missing the handle bar mounting brackets. I suppose I could try to find those....but I was planning on using NOS Shimano 600 Ultegra levers with the calipers...you've given me something to think about though...thanks,
Ah, yes I can understand wanting the quick release. I actually quite like having it on the lever, it's a nice clean look. You can probably use handlebar clamps from various other levers. You may have to modify the post by shortening it and use a different nut but they should all be M6.
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try caged bearings. I have on my road bike square taper crank with caged bearings is have very little play but when i have time i want try adjust better. Anyone here know if i can found phill wood caged bearings or lose bearings for square taper bottom bracket and wheel hubs?spread the rear triangle in 130mm you do that your self?
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try caged bearings. I have on my road bike square taper crank with caged bearings is have very little play but when i have time i want try adjust better. Anyone here know if i can found phill wood caged bearings or lose bearings for square taper bottom bracket and wheel hubs?spread the rear triangle in 130mm you do that your self?
Marinoni spread the rear triangle for me....no charge. Came with the paint job.
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Originally Posted by bobbyl1966 View Post
try caged bearings. I have on my road bike square taper crank with caged bearings is have very little play but when i have time i want try adjust better. Anyone here know if i can found phill wood caged bearings or lose bearings for square taper bottom bracket and wheel hubs?spread the rear triangle in 130mm you do that your self?
Phil Wood components all use the highest quality cartridge bearings.
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where i can found to buy this bearings. i put in my road bike caged bearings and i have in other road bike sealed bottom bracket. The caged bearings is turn more smooth than the sealed bottom bracket.
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I would love to send a frame to Marinoni for a respray or maybe take it myself. Any excuse to go to Montreal again. What a great City.
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I would love to send a frame to Marinoni for a respray or maybe take it myself. Any excuse to go to Montreal again. What a great City.
I have another Marinoni currently being repainted there (darker blue)....an 86/87 55cm Special....should be done in a few weeks. Should look very nice when done.
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I have another Marinoni currently being repainted there (darker blue)....an 86/87 55cm Special....should be done in a few weeks. Should look very nice when done.
That's even more exciting? Any special features. I find that around 1985 they became more standardized. Though the fleur de lis still showed up in the late 1980s. I had a 1988 in 58cm that actually said Quebec on the crown. I wished it fit me really hard and I road it up a mountain once but it was just way to small.
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That's even more exciting? Any special features. I find that around 1985 they became more standardized. Though the fleur de lis still showed up in the late 1980s. I had a 1988 in 58cm that actually said Quebec on the crown. I wished it fit me really hard and I road it up a mountain once but it was just way to small.
Nope. Nothing special....except the price I got it for!!!
$400CDN for a full Campy Chorus Marinoni Special. The OO even threw in a box of almost NOS Victory components (cranks, calipers, headset, seat post), an NOS sedisport chain and an 2nd Maillard 7sp freewheel with very little wear. Needless to say, I was happy with that purchase.

When I was in Mtl a few weeks ago I had the chance to visit a vintage bike collectors home who had the nicest couple of Marinoni's I've ever seen. A fleur-de lis, and a NOS early 80s Marinoni track bike that was just beautiful. Made the trip even better...
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Originally Posted by icepick_trotsky View Post
If you're using friction, that makes things easy. You have many options, as Shimano freehubs remained the same design 8 through 10 speed. Dura Ace 7400 came out approx. 1986 and lasted until the early '90s.
After looking into buying some old 7400 Dura Ace hubs, I came across the distinction of Uniglide and Hyperglide....I vaguely remember the difference from 'back in the day'....but anyways, I'm assuming that I want to go with Hyperglide, since Uniglide is harder to find, and most of the old 7400 hubs I'm seeing are all Uniglide, so this makes me wonder, is there another hub system I can use?
What about 90s Shimano Ultegra?
What about getting a Hyperglide Free Hub body and mating it to an old Dura Ace 7400 freehub?
What about some Non-shimano free hub that'll accept a Shimano HyperGlide cassette? Can that be done?
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I like Campy 9-speed, and you can get cassettes for it at not too unreasonable a price. In addition to Campagnolo, Miche also makes Campy-compatible 9 and 10-speed cassettes.
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Originally Posted by D1andonlyDman View Post
I like Campy 9-speed, and you can get cassettes for it at not too unreasonable a price. In addition to Campagnolo, Miche also makes Campy-compatible 9 and 10-speed cassettes.

These are the hubs I decided to go with:
[h=1]Campagnolo Veloce 8 Speed Cassette 32 Holes 130mm Vintage NOS. Manufactured in 97/98.[/h]I have a pair of Campy 8sp Brifters....now I just need to find some cassettes for it.




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