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thunderworks 11-05-15 06:53 PM

IMO, there were (and still are) two, parallel hierarchies of bikes. On the one hand, there were the large production options offered by large bike companies. In the start of the 1970's, the European manufacturers were top of the heap. By the end of the 1970's the Japanese were taking over. During this period, (in the US market) the companies that offered top of the line, Campy equipped bikes were Raleigh, Peugeot, Motobecane, Gitane, Bianchi, Schwinn, Follis, LeJeune. I'm sure there were others I can't remember. IMO, Motobecane and Follis actually made the nicest of the bikes. This is not to say that they rode any better or lasted longer, but it reflects my belief that they were more meticulously made. Better paint. Cleaner lugwork etc. I owned a bike shop from 1974 through 1994. I sold many of these bikes and have some experience with them.

At the same time, there were numerous small manufacturers that made beautiful bikes. They probably didn't really ride any better or last longer either, but they were positioned in the marketplace with a great deal of cache. Many were Italian, but there were also many small English builders that offered beautiful frames. And by the end of the 1970's there was developing a core of American builders who were, again IMO, building the nicest frames of all. Names that come to mind include Masi, Cinelli, Colnago, Frejus, Sanino, Marinati, (all Italian) and Claud Butler, Wes Mason, Holdsworth, Bob Jackson (all English). There were many small builders and my list is not intended to be all inclusive. Everybody probably knows of builders I haven't mentioned and I'm sure they're excellent.

The original post seems to be asking about market perceptions of bikes of the 1970's . . . the comment about "equal to the Professional" really can't be addressed. There were many bikes that were as well made, designed for performance, and I'm sure rode great (and certainly provided as much enjoyment) as the Raleigh Pro. It was a terrific bike, but so were literally dozens of other top end machines. The cache associated with the upper model Raleigh bikes is a comment on perceived value and collectible desirability. While those perceptions function in in the vintage marketplace to determine economic value, those same perceptions don't really describe much in terms of real world differences between bikes of the era.

Flog00 11-05-15 07:37 PM

Raleigh Pro Bicycle

marius.suiram 11-05-15 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by Flog00 (Post 18297922)

Is it yours?

Flog00 11-05-15 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by marius.suiram (Post 18297942)
Is it yours?

No, I saw he ad and thought the price to be high.

sced 11-06-15 06:27 AM

The finish quality of Pros could sometimes be downright sloppy. They had a mass-produced appearance to them, though the parts spec was top notch.

Bandera 11-06-15 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sced (Post 18298519)
The finish quality of Pros could sometimes be downright sloppy.

All of the MKIV-V and subsequent SB 753 models we built were well finished with good to excellent QC and certainly not "downright sloppy".
The Carlton MKIV Pros had a durable traditional British paint finish intended for use in wet/harsh conditions and high quality chrome. Mine was just fine thanks (see pic), although it was not Paramount quality finish (or price).

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=486599

The Italian marques of the day we built had at worst lousy metal prep thin/uneven paint and peeling transfers and at best a second rate soft paint job lacking durability.
Find any Original 72-75 Raleigh/Carlton Pro and compare it's finish to your choice of OEM Italian marque of the era that has seen similar use for comparison.

The finest most beautiful durable fit & finish of the era to me?
Jack Taylor, Mercian & Schwinn Paramount.

These were Racing machines of the era, essentially disposable tools some of which survive today.

-Bandera

ascherer 11-08-15 07:15 PM

In the summer of 1973 I was 16, and hunting for my first 'serious' bike. The Raleigh Pro was what I wanted, but I couldn't afford it. The International was nice, but it wasn't racing geometry. In my world, bikes perceived to be equivalent were the Schwinn Paramount, PX-10, Gitane Tour de France, Atalo Pro and I knew someone with a Bianchi. I think I knew someone with an Al Eisenstraut by then. I ended up with a Zeus Pro. I knew the brand because of a dealer near the Kissena Velodrome in Flushing, NY but I bought this bike at a shop in Glens Falls, NY. Cost me $300.

ascherer 11-08-15 07:23 PM

And...Motobecane Le Champion, Frejus (rare beast in '73). I think the Fuji Finest and Newest were available by then but the components hadn't yet caught up with Campy.

marius.suiram 11-08-15 07:58 PM

Lot of things to learn. Thanks


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