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75 Voyaguer II & Indexed SIS & Orginal 5 Spd Freewheel

Old 11-25-15, 06:18 PM
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75 Voyaguer II & Indexed SIS & Orginal 5 Spd Freewheel

As anyone used Shimano SIS shifters (Ultegra SIS bar cons) with the original 5 speed freewheel supplied on the World Voyageur and Voyageur II????
The freewheel is Schwinn Approved Model J (Shimano) with 14-17-21-26-32 (the 26 & 32 are the skip tooth design.

Background, My 1975 Voyageur II, about 12 years ago, I replaced the SunTour ratchet shifters with 8 speed Ultegra SIS bar cons, replaced the Crane GS long cage RD with a Deore, and replaced the 5 speed freewheel with a Shimano Megarange (14-16-18-20-22-24-34). The indexing is great and it shifts fine

For various reasons, I want to go back to the original Model J 5 speed, with its Alpine gearing.

Will the Ultegra's still index with the 5 speed??? I know I have to set the RD limit stops to limit the shifters to the 1st 5 clicks

If not, I will have to install the original Sun Tours ratchets. I really like the 1 click, 1 cog response.

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I don't thing this will work very well, since the spacing on the 5 speed is wider than the 7 speed freewheels. 5.5mm vs 5mm, if I'm remembering correctly.
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wont work. What are your reasons for wanting to go back? maybe there's a different solution?
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I have 6 speed SunTour Accushift shifters indexing on a 5 speed IRD freewheel. I have also had 7400 Dura Ace shifters pulling a Suntour XC Comp derailleur on a Suntour Perfect freewheel and it indexed fine.

My understanding is that the spacing on 5 speed is identical to 6 speed, for both Suntour and Shimano.
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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy View Post

My understanding is that the spacing on 5 speed is identical to 6 speed, for both Suntour and Shimano.
...I think this is correct, mostly, but IIRC there were some six cogged freewheels made to fit into 120 spaced bikes. They were from the era of transition to 126 spacing, and I think maybe they were compacted to make that fit. Everything was friction then, so it was not an issue.

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Originally Posted by kevins08 View Post
wont work. What are your reasons for wanting to go back? maybe there's a different solution?
Kevin, I'm going to a triple and really do not like the 2 tooth spacing + ganny on the 7 spd Megarange. Alpline progression is better

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Originally Posted by john hawrylak View Post
Kevin, I'm going to a triple and really do not like the 2 tooth spacing + granny on the 7 spd Megarange. Alpine progression is better

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Agreed. Instead of the 14-16-18-20-22-24-34, why didn't/doesn't Shimano set it up as 14-16-19-22-26-30-34?
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This would give you pretty similar jumps between gears, extend your range on the high end, and take full advantage of all the clicks on your shifters!
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75 Voyaguer II & Indexed SIS & Orginal 5 Spd Freewheel

John, an alternative might be to look for a 7 speed Sachs Aris freewheel. I've run a couple that were either 13-30 or 13-32. They each had nice even spacing and work really well with Shimano SIS shifters.

When running the 7 speed freewheel did you use the original rear hub?
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A 7s freewheel seems like a decent plug-in for your 8s barcon setup using the Deore derailer.

You can simply use the alternate cable routing to the opposite side of the rear derailer's binder (pinch) bolt, which will then likely index your 5s freewheel quite well.
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IRD makes index compatible freewheels in 5 speed. I would just put it all together and see if it works as is. If you are happy with it being less than perfect it might be fine. When mixing and matching manufactures parts/systems you are better off just trying it out.
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Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh View Post
John, an alternative might be to look for a 7 speed Sachs Aris freewheel. I've run a couple that were either 13-30 or 13-32. They each had nice even spacing and work really well with Shimano SIS shifters.

When running the 7 speed freewheel did you use the original rear hub?
+1 sourcing a nice vintage correct freewheel in 13-30 or 13-32 from the SIS era is a nice option and the Sachs's is a great choice but a bit pricey. Another option would be to go with a 14-28 or 13-28 freewheel which are pretty common good new ones are about $20 and run slightly different gearing smaller triple in front.
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When running the 7 speed freewheel did you use the original rear hub?
Pastor Bob,

Yes I used the original Shimano high flanged oval cut-out hub
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