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icepick_trotsky 12-14-15 09:51 AM

Modify dual-pivot caliper for bottom pull?
 
Are there any dual-pivot calipers out there that can operate via bottom-pull? This is for a mixte frame, where the cable routing runs down the mixte stays then up the seat-stays, comme ça:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_GmYBBzTzcVQ/Rx.../TABMixte3.jpg

It looks like most older single-pivot brakes could be modified, but modern calipers thread the barrel adjuster directly into the upper arm. Any ideas? Worst comes to worst I'll just run a dual-pivot in front and update the pads on the rear caliper, but I'd rather update both.

degan 12-14-15 09:59 AM

I'd be very surprised if any exist that can be switched. I don't think I've ever seen a dual pivot that didn't just have a threaded vertical hole where the cable stop would have to be to make it work.

icepick_trotsky 12-14-15 10:14 AM

I don't know why any bicycles were designed this way. Any sane person would have put the brake bridge on the middle set of stays -- straight shot and normal cable routing.

gugie 12-14-15 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by icepick_trotsky (Post 18388231)
I don't know why any bicycles were designed this way. Any sane person would have put the brake bridge on the middle set of stays -- straight shot and normal cable routing.

+1 That long housing swoop is a pain in the rear and makes the brake less effective. A really bad brake setup is a J-frame/mixte with cantilevers on the chain stays, and a pulley dingus hanging off the seat binder bolt. Now you've got a big S shaped housing that generates almost no stopping power.

On the other hand, cantilevers on that middle set of stays can hit the riders heels. A good alternative is a V-brake. My daughter can lock up the rear wheel without much effort:

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3858/1...c9eaa88b_b.jpg

icepick_trotsky 12-14-15 10:44 AM

Neat frame, [MENTION=381793]gugie[/MENTION]. What is it?

smontanaro 12-14-15 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by icepick_trotsky (Post 18388231)
I don't know why any bicycles were designed this way. Any sane person would have put the brake bridge on the middle set of stays -- straight shot and normal cable routing.

Which is what the few modern mixtes I just checked out do. Is moving the rear brake to the middle stays an option?

miamijim 12-14-15 10:58 AM

Remove the cable fixing bolt and thread in a barrel adjuster. Up top you'll need to rig up a pinch bolt.

noglider 12-14-15 11:41 AM

Some calipers allow this, and some don't. I disagree that it's a bad way to route a cable.

rhm 12-14-15 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by miamijim (Post 18388376)
Remove the cable fixing bolt and thread in a barrel adjuster. Up top you'll need to rig up a pinch bolt.

+1. Replace the cable fixing bolt with a barrel adjuster and its anchor:

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/FOUAAO...a4/s-l1600.jpg

Thread the cable through the existing barrel adjuster backwards, and fix the end with a cable knarp.

gugie 12-14-15 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by icepick_trotsky (Post 18388327)
Neat frame, @gugie. What is it?

This was my very first "upcycle" project. It started life as a Nishiki Olympic 12 mixte. Here's how I found it - notice that the picture is upside down - it was hanging in an open-air car port. Rear derailleur had been ripped off, hanger was bent, rear wheel taco'ed. I gave the guy $25 for it. Basically reused just the frame and stem. Build story here.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5570/1...226afd82_o.jpg

miamijim 12-14-15 02:08 PM

Tektro 800a should work with a simple swap of the pinch bolt and adjuster.

The Golden Boy 12-15-15 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 18388520)
Some calipers allow this, and some don't. I disagree that it's a bad way to route a cable.

I know that routing the cables like that make it much easier for water to get into the housing, stay in the housing and cause problems

noglider 12-15-15 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by The Golden Boy (Post 18391874)
I know that routing the cables like that make it much easier for water to get into the housing, stay in the housing and cause problems

Hmm, good point. That's why they stopped making front derailleurs with housings that went into bottom-pull type mechanisms.

Grand Bois 12-15-15 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by miamijim (Post 18388996)
Tektro 800a should work with a simple swap of the pinch bolt and adjuster.

The reach of the 800A is much too long for his application.

nlerner 12-15-15 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by icepick_trotsky (Post 18388178)

Hey, that's my wife's bike. What's it doing at your house?!

icepick_trotsky 12-15-15 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by Grand Bois (Post 18391904)
The reach of the 800A is much too long for his application.

Not necessarily. I'm planning on moving from 27" to 700c, so they might work. I need to measure.

icepick_trotsky 12-15-15 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 18391928)
Hey, that's my wife's bike. What's it doing at your house?!

Used for cable routing demonstration only. Nice work!

Grand Bois 12-15-15 03:59 PM

I tried running the cable up the seat tube to a clamp and then down to the brake. It works, but I don't like it. It looks goofy to me. It wasn't easy to find a cable clamp that fits a seat tube.

The bend at the top is pretty tight, but you can get away with that with lined cables.

non-fixie 12-15-15 04:16 PM

Subscribing, as I'm facing the same challenge with this Cornelo. I've looked at Sheldon's solution, but that's a little too crude for my taste.

http://myalbum.com/photo/vuzDIVCHargI/540.jpg

nazcalines 12-15-15 05:11 PM

Another way to do this is insert a noodle into the brake caliper's cable stop. This makes the cable bend much easier. I went this way instead of of using a knarp and reversing the cable stop.

miamijim 12-15-15 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by Grand Bois (Post 18391904)
The reach of the 800A is much too long for his application.

Good point.

Tektro 539 looks modifiable. Sunlite 420 as well.

Bicycle Addict 12-15-15 10:27 PM

I have converted a few to top pull, where your last cable guide is start you loop there, then get a chrome down tube guide for the seat tube, voila done.
Less ability for water to get in, I compared the cable after a year to the old one from the lower routing and there is significant discolouration to the lower routed inner , and some rust starting to form when it was taken out, both cables were in use for the same period of time, so water is a factor in lower routing.
Just my 2c.

Jeff Wills 12-15-15 11:32 PM


Originally Posted by degan (Post 18388203)
I'd be very surprised if any exist that can be switched. I don't think I've ever seen a dual pivot that didn't just have a threaded vertical hole where the cable stop would have to be to make it work.

I modified a Shimano 105 caliper for a bottom-pull cable to work on a recumbent with a very crowded fork crown/headtube area. I think you can buy bottom-pull dual-pivot calipers from Bacchetta recumbents: Bacchetta Front Brake

JohnDThompson 12-16-15 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by miamijim (Post 18388996)
Tektro 800a should work with a simple swap of the pinch bolt and adjuster.

That's what I did with my daughter's FrankenSports:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/franken...ottom-pull.jpg


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