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Winelli? (Windsor/Cinelli fake) or something else?

Old 01-13-16, 04:54 PM
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Winelli? (Windsor/Cinelli fake) or something else?

Just picked this up on CL, it was advertised as a Cinelli. I was pretty sure it wasn't, and the price was good given all the extras it came with, so I picked it up anyway.

I'm thinking it's a Windsor due to the serial number and size being stamped on the seat tube. S/N on the left of the tube, size (21) being on the right of the seat lug. It's also marked 21 in inches, which says to me it's an English bike.

Seat tube is 26.2.
Dropouts are Suntour forged and chromed stay ends
Fork looks unoriginal. Chromed underneath some house paint and foil tape to look like chrome fork ends.
BB is cartridge style 36x24x70 I havne't taken it apart to see if it's English threaded, but I'm assuming.
Head tube features what I'm guessing is a repro decal from Cinelli

Any guesses?
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Old 01-13-16, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Falcon3 View Post
BB is cartridge style 36x24x70 I havne't taken it apart to see if it's English threaded, but I'm assuming.
I have no guess on the frame, but 36x24 (and 70mm wide) means an Italian thread BB. BSC BBs are 1.37"x24 and 68mm wide.
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Old 01-13-16, 05:17 PM
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looks to be a Windsor Carrera Sport with a non-original fork

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Old 01-13-16, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
looks to be a Windsor Carerra Sport with a non-original fork
Thanks! I was figuring it wasn't too high of quality, but I love the chrome lugs, pretty sure the fork is chrome under the house paint, and the forged dropouts are nice. I'll likely ebay the extras that came on it and end up with a free frame.
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Old 01-13-16, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Falcon3 View Post
Thanks! I was figuring it wasn't too high of quality, but I love the chrome lugs, pretty sure the fork is chrome under the house paint, and the forged dropouts are nice. I'll likely ebay the extras that came on it and end up with a free frame.
if you search the forum under the Windsor Carrera Sport name you will pull up a number of threads on these bikes in case you would like to explore them further. the U.S. agent was Bicycle Parts Pacific in San Diego, California. most likely date is the 1972-74 time.
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Old 01-14-16, 09:45 AM
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If this bicycle has the Cinelli fastback stay arrangement, then a Carabella (which is another Acer-Mex product) is a better candidate. However, if it has a standard, semi-wrap stay arrangement, then I'd agree with a Windsor Carrera Sport.
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Old 01-14-16, 10:57 AM
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Another vote for Windsor Carrera Sport w/ non-original fork depending on seatstay treatment (my bet's that it's not fastback). I have a 25" Carrera Sport, the pictured frame details match along with the description of the serial number and size markings/locations. Depending on year it may be straight gauge Tange tubing.

Classic Mexico Cycles

E: The Windsor Pro and Competition had different lugs from the Carrera Sport. Yours is a Carrera Sport. The link above provides some background on the brand and its roots. The CS is a lower level than the Pro/Comp. models which were more closely modeled after Cinelli, but it's still plenty decent - I enjoy mine quite a bit. And have no qualms about taking it places I might not take a 'nicer' road bike. Yours should have been designed to take 27" wheels (did it come with wheels? Looks like just a frameset atm), so switching to 700c can afford a pretty wide tire, but will require brakes with a good amount of reach. Mine currently runs 650b x 38mm, limited by the chainstays.


(Not the original fork)

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Old 01-14-16, 04:36 PM
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as an aside, my '80 windsor touring elite has an english bb (1.37x24) and suntour drops.
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Old 02-26-16, 08:06 PM
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This is a Windsor Pro from 1980. I'm the original owner.

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Windsor or Cinelli or whatever, this does not look like a cheap frame.
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As I understand it, a former Cinelli employee was hired in MX as the Windsor builder..he built what he knew..not a surprise I guess. The "Cinelli fake" term used initial post header might be a little harsh..it is what it is..though I don't doubt someone has tried to present it as a fake more than once.



I've ridden mine for 35 years..holding up fine so far and it still lots of fun to ride, always was.
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Old 09-09-16, 08:29 AM
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Nice Windsor

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This is a Windsor Pro from 1980. I'm the original owner.

I recently purchased a 1973 Windsor Pro and I LOVE the bike. It was raced heavily in the seventies, but kept original except for the 3 piece Phil hubs and Brooks saddle. It is easy to ride long distance and very quick for its year! Joe
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Old 09-09-16, 10:28 AM
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The painted fork looks bonded to me, are you sure its steel? Most bonded forks are aluminum.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
The painted fork looks bonded to me, are you sure its steel? Most bonded forks are aluminum.
I agree: put a magnet on the blades (tho the steerer may be steel).
Carrera Sport was a tick up from the plain Carrera: forged Suntour DOs and depending on date of build may even be some sort ot Tange tubing (the plain Carrera was gaspipe). I see now Sir name already said the same
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Old 09-09-16, 01:43 PM
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Agreed, the fork in the OP does not match the one supplied on my Carrera Sport.
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I don't think Windsor frames use 26.2 seatposts. Cinelli brazed an internal sleeve to standard gauge seat tube. Could this be a Raysport?
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Old 09-09-16, 01:53 PM
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Pretty sure mine used a 26.2 post. Can't measure until tomorrow.
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Old 09-09-16, 03:56 PM
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Windsors and Carabelas in the mid-to-high end did not take a 26.2 (at least not without a shim) AFAIK: the Profesional models typically used 27.2 since they were SL, but later Tange-tubed mid-ranged models might be 26.8. The gas-pipe Carrera might be somewhere close to 26.2 but the OP's Carrera SPORT should be a thinner wall seat tube than that. I suspect the wrong size post being used, here, but if Sir_Name's used one then maybe I'm being too optimistic.
Raysports were made with 531, AFAIK, so again that small a post would not be typical.
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Old 09-09-16, 04:46 PM
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26.8 may be right, uw1. I'll know tomorrow and add it here for posterity. All I remember is that it was an odd (to me) size when I was looking to replace the chromed steel pillar and clamp. I wound up with an SR Royal that fit w/o shim. I vaguely remember as I was measuring for a replacement that it was funny that the size was similar to the common 27.2 dia (i.e. versus my 26.2 measurement?), but a hazzy memory ain't worth much.

I looked at velobase quickly to see if that could narrow it down (one size being offered but not the other), but couldn't find it on the pocket computer. I bought it too long ago to see it in my eBay purchase history in the app.



In related news, if anyone is looking for a 25" Carrera Sport with a fork or two.....let me know.
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Just looked at the album pictures, looks nothing like a Cinelli of any kind, or even a copy. Wrong lugs, seatstay attachments, dropouts... My bad.
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A 26.2 seatpost is correct on my Carrera Sport, the post measures just under and is a good snug fit in the seat tube.
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That Fork Crown looks late 60's early 70's Cinelli to me.
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Originally Posted by Wileyone View Post
That Fork Crown looks late 60's early 70's Cinelli to me.
but I would bet money (no amount is mentioned ) that this is a bonded aluminum fork and not original to the frame.
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Originally Posted by Sir_Name View Post
A 26.2 seatpost is correct on my Carrera Sport, the post measures just under and is a good snug fit in the seat tube.
good to know, I wonder if that info is in Sheldon's seat post database, it should be.
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