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Old 02-06-16, 10:40 PM
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Real Colnago or fake

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I found this colnago online and i just want to check whether it is real or fake if i purchase it. I think it is real but some things dont look 100% correct. Just want a second opinion.
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Old 02-06-16, 11:51 PM
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Probably real. Hard to say. The parts on the women in the ads underneath, more likely to be fake.
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Old 02-06-16, 11:54 PM
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Hard call, but the paint looks legit. That frame has serious issues though. All the cable tunnels are corroded off and there are dents in the down tube, and probably other stuff you can't see in the pics. If you also want a second opinion on whether or not to buy - I would say pass.
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Old 02-07-16, 12:11 AM
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That is one beat up bicycle frame? if all that damage is visible I shudder to think what damage is hidden. I'd pass on buying it.

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Old 02-07-16, 12:17 AM
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3 top-tube cable guides? Though one has been destroyed by rust...still I thought 2 guides only were typical for Colnagos.
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Old 02-07-16, 01:53 AM
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I'm going to say probably a fake for 2 reasons.
  • The seatstay tips on the early Colnagos were usually concave, I think. The later ones were often convex and had a Colnago script on them.
  • There should be clover cutouts on at least some of the lugs. The top side of the lugs are are hard to view, but I'm not seeing any cutouts.

As others have mentioned, that frame is awfully beat up, from the missing cable guides on the top tube, to what appear to be creases on the downtube. Also apparently missing the fork.

You might confirm whether it is a Colnago by carefully inspecting the lugs and bottom bracket.

But, even if it is genuine, it isn't worth much.
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Old 02-07-16, 02:58 AM
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2 sets of biddon mounts suggest a mid 80's frame plus the fact that it has 3 brake cable guides (some rare but very early Colnago's had 3) means it's a fake in my eyes. I would definitely expect to see some 'Colnago' logo's cast into a lug or two.
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Old 02-07-16, 03:10 AM
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All very true points^. Im hoping to go take a closer look at this bike whether it be disappointing or not, but the seller has a few other bikes ill probably check out at the same time. It may be a good idea to inquire if the seller knows if they are fake😞
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Old 02-07-16, 03:18 AM
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Oh, another thing about the Colnago.

The two-tone color scheme wouldn't have come until the late 80's or early 90's.

As far as I know, all 60's and 70's era bikes were monochrome.

By that time, the seat stays should bear the Colnago logo, and perhaps also the chain stays.

So, everything seems to be jumping around timelines too much.

There is enough Patina on the bike that the fake decals could have been applied 20 years ago, so the current seller just may not know.
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Old 02-07-16, 09:09 AM
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Peek at the dropouts. Also, the club cutout on the BB shell. Otherwise, that is the worst Colnago frame I have ever seen.
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Old 02-07-16, 09:41 AM
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Regardless of the veracity of the "Colnago" decals, beat up frame + no fork = "be careful."
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Old 02-09-16, 11:02 AM
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I think it's unlikely, if all you're going on is paint and decals, for the reasons stated above. Yeah, Ernesto put out some stinkers with his name on them, but this is really beyond the pale.
Decals are cheaper than bikes. I don't think this is a production line "fake", as much as an ancient respray.

Probably not too great a frame to begin with or why rebadge it.
I hope his other bikes are in better shape.
Good hunting.

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Old 02-09-16, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Last ride 76 View Post
Probably not too great a frame to begin with or why rebadge it.
I hope his other bikes are in better shape.
Good hunting.
There are several features on this frame that makes it appear to be at least a mid to upper quality frame.

  • Campy style horizontal dropouts, without eyelets.
  • Derailleur hanger
  • Downtube Shifter Bosses
  • (broken) cable guides on top tube, as well as cable stops on chainstay and under bottom bracket.
  • Corncob freewheel and clipless pedals are also a hint

So, I wouldn't completely ignore the frame. However, it appears to have some damage, broken cable guides, and I believe some dents. However, photos can be deceiving, and it might be either in better or worse shape than it appears.
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Old 02-09-16, 12:24 PM
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I would call it a fake for the reasons already stated. There are seat stay caps that are flat with embossing but they do not come to a point but are rounded.

[IMG]P1000502, on Flickr[/IMG]

I believe under BB cable routing started in the early 80's. Haven't seen a TT with three cable guides, although I wish they had three!

Hard to assess but the seat stays don't look like the typical high taper that Colnago's typically have. The white at the bridge accentuates the diameter so it hard to tell. Maybe the bottom is tapered like a 'Nago but the end by the seat cluster is too big in diameter.
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Real? No way. Lots of good info posted before my post, but I'd add that the flats on the upper portion of the BB shell is a feature no Colnago ever sported.

I'd be wary of buying ANY frame without a fork. If you're in the market, get a frame/fork combo. Trust me

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I'd bet on it being fake.

So the story goes, in the early 1970's of the first 200 Colnagos imported into the US by the original importer, another 800 were counterfeited by the same importer in Mexico and sold here in the US.

I always asume I have one of the bogus one....
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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude View Post
I'd be wary of buying ANY frame without a fork. If you're in the market, get a frame/fork combo. Trust me
I'm riding a bike that I bought as a forkless frame. And, I'm sure the fork I have on it is quite different than the original (as are all the other components).

However, that is a good point. Carefully inspect the frame for any damage to the top tube and downtube just behind the headtube (sign of front-end damage).

Also, used Colnago forks are generally quite expensive It could cost more than that frame to buy a genuine Colnago fork (which you may still wish to match the aproximate year to your frame).
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I'm riding a bike that I bought as a forkless frame. And, I'm sure the fork I have on it is quite different than the original (as are all the other components).

However, that is a good point. Carefully inspect the frame for any damage to the top tube and downtube just behind the headtube (sign of front-end damage).

Also, used Colnago forks are generally quite expensive It could cost more than that frame to buy a genuine Colnago fork (which you may still wish to match the aproximate year to your frame).
Exactly - both great reasons to find a matching frame and fork. Saves a lot of potential headaches down the road.

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Too bad they don't make Fauxnago decals :-)
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Originally Posted by GravelGuy View Post
I'd bet on it being fake.

So the story goes, in the early 1970's of the first 200 Colnagos imported into the US by the original importer, another 800 were counterfeited by the same importer in Mexico and sold here in the US.

I always asume I have one of the bogus one....
Mine was bought in Italy, so I doubt I have a Mexican clone

But, one can never fully trust the Italians either. 99% yes... but there is that last 1%.
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