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Old 03-10-16, 09:54 PM
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Since science has determined, maybe in the 1960's, that smoking causes cancer, heart disease, and copd, why do intelligent young people still start smoking?
Intelligence may be defenceless pitted against mans true irrational nature. Desire, ego, peer pressure, style, film media, Kurt Vonnegut and a century of effective marketing of this additive drug often wins the day.

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Das easy. No bellybutton.
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I have a serious question that I've been wondering about. I'm a birder and I note that when a pigeon or group of them take off in flight, their wings make a squeaking sound. I was speaking to the naturalist at a bird sanctuary, who didn't know the answer, but named off other birds whose wings make that sound, yet other "cousin" birds don't make it.

It it begs the question, "Why?"
I want to know, mechanically, what action is making that sound - specifically what feather or structures are rubbing together to make that sound? Does the bird's oil "formula" make a difference? Like maybe one bird produces oiler oil and the other bird produces more waxy oil. Does that contribute?

So that's what I really want to know.


#2 . Why do some fellas refer to their bike as "her"? Please don't say things related to "riding", etc. That's too obvious.

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"Just an old fart with his Pall Malls"
clubman.

Actually, I smoked Camel (plain) since the mid 60's and was quite perturbed when
The Government of Canada banned their sale here, (2005) I now having switched to
a domestic brand known a Export (plain).

People knowing my preference, would ask, "Are you Smoking Less and Enjoying it More?"
My retort being, No! I am Smoking More and Enjoying it Less!

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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
I have a serious question that I've been wondering about. I'm a birder and I note that when a pigeon or group of them take off in flight, their wings make a squeaking sound. I was speaking to the naturalist at a bird sanctuary, who didn't know the answer, but named off other birds whose wings make that sound, yet other "cousin" birds don't make it.

It it begs the question, "Why?"
I want to know, mechanically, what action is making that sound - specifically what feather or structures are rubbing together to make that sound? Does the bird's oil "formula" make a difference? Like maybe one bird produces oiler oil and the other bird produces more waxy oil. Does that contribute?

So that's what I really want to know.


#2 . Why do some fellas refer to their bike as "her"? Please don't say things related to "riding", etc. That's too obvious.
On number one, I would lean more toward air passing through/around the wings than friction. Birds need to be pretty efficient machines and i don't think they could afford that extra friction.
Number two might be related to ships and other machines being referred to in the feminine. In other words, anything that appears to be better than we are. Or maybe something that we feel we can control.
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What's the difference between a duck?
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
I have a serious question that I've been wondering about. I'm a birder and I note that when a pigeon or group of them take off in flight, their wings make a squeaking sound. I was speaking to the naturalist at a bird sanctuary, who didn't know the answer, but named off other birds whose wings make that sound, yet other "cousin" birds don't make it.

It it begs the question, "Why?"
I want to know, mechanically, what action is making that sound - specifically what feather or structures are rubbing together to make that sound? Does the bird's oil "formula" make a difference? Like maybe one bird produces oiler oil and the other bird produces more waxy oil. Does that contribute?

So that's what I really want to know.
There are three layers of feathers that make up the wings on birds. Lengths and thicknesses of the shafts and barbs of the feathers depend on the species. Pigeons are more suited to short flights and flap their wings to gain height rapidly for short bursts of flight. I think what we hear when they are flying is in fact friction between the barbs of each feather. If you've heard geese flying overhead, they also are audible but it's a "cleaner" or smoother sound as they are adapted for long migratory flights. I've trimmed wings on hunting hawks a couple of times, and they have a similar structure adapted for long flights with longer secondary and primary shafts. Cockatiels and macaws also make louder sounds when they fly for the same reason as pigeons.
Sorry, no sources other than practical experience. My textbooks on the subject are packed away .
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Originally Posted by squirtdad
why are red de Rosa's faster?
easy-peasy = I used to ride a blue one!
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Originally Posted by seedsbelize
What's the difference between a duck?
Both, mostly on the left side.

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Old 03-11-16, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Wulf
Who put the ram in the lama lama ding dong?
Barry Mann did that.
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Why don't we eat sunlight (instead of chicken....without soap)?
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
Why does a saddle sit atop a seattube?
It doesn't. The saddle is attached to a SEATpin which goes into the SEATtube.
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Originally Posted by Shimagnolo
"What is the speed of dark?"
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As if knowing the speed of dark.....matter
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What does the expression 'Do wa diddy diddy bump diddy bump' mean?
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Originally Posted by Wildwood
What does the expression 'Do wa diddy diddy bump diddy bump' mean?
Easy. Someone riding a bicycle on a bumpy road while singing...do wa diddy diddy....diddy...

The hardest part is to figure out which song fit into... do wa diddy diddy ... diddy...
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The hardest part is to figure out which song fit into... do wa diddy diddy ... diddy...
It was just a 'teeny bumper' song.
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
Why do some fellas refer to their bike as "her"? Please don't say things related to "riding", etc. That's too obvious.
I don't name bikes but I did name my first (adult) motorcycle "Gunther". Not that there's anything wrong with that!
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#2 . Why do some fellas refer to their bike as "her"? Please don't say things related to "riding", etc. That's too obvious.
I don't, so i don't know.

related but not: My son is driving a Volvo station wagon for his high school car. He named the car Suzanne. I had to ask why. the reply: 2 kid, soccer mom car.
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
I have a serious question that I've been wondering about. I'm a birder and I note that when a pigeon or group of them take off in flight, their wings make a squeaking sound. I was speaking to the naturalist at a bird sanctuary, who didn't know the answer, but named off other birds whose wings make that sound, yet other "cousin" birds don't make it.

It it begs the question, "Why?"
I want to know, mechanically, what action is making that sound - specifically what feather or structures are rubbing together to make that sound? Does the bird's oil "formula" make a difference? Like maybe one bird produces oiler oil and the other bird produces more waxy oil. Does that contribute?

So that's what I really want to know.


#2 . Why do some fellas refer to their bike as "her"? Please don't say things related to "riding", etc. That's too obvious.

Is this cool or what? Birds produce the whistling via airflow through the tips of their feathers. In some species, that sound signals when a threat approaches:
When Mourning Doves take flight air vibrates the tips of their flight feathers, which causes the whistling sound. This is not uncommon in birds; most birds produce sounds when they fly. For example, wing sounds are what give hummingbirds their name. Many owls have had to evolve special feathers in order to keep their wings silent when hunting. But what’s special about the dove’s wing sound is its ability to communicate danger; at least, that’s the theory.
To test this theory researchers recorded the wing whistles of a flock of doves during normal takeoff and one during a panicked takeoff. When they played the normal takeoff sounds to a group of doves, as well as to other birds at a feeder, none of the birds paid much attention to it. But when they played sounds of panicked wing whistles, not only did the doves split but all the other birds did, too. It became clear that birds are able to pick up the subtle differences between normal and panicked dove wing whistles.



When I was a wee tyke, first grade or so, I asked my Dad why ships were "she". He told me straight faced, "Because they can't grow whiskers". Since I still thought Dad knew everything (and could beat up Superman), I accepted that answer for years. I haven't heard a better one.
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@Jadesfire & @SloButWide - FANTASTIC! Thanks so much for this. I'll use this info. as a base for further research. Outstanding. I understand certain hunting birds, esp. forest hunting birds are often very quiet with their wing sounds.
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(...) #2 . Why do some fellas refer to their bike as "her"? Please don't say things related to "riding", etc. That's too obvious.
It takes paint to make her look decent?

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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
I have a serious question that I've been wondering about. I'm a birder and I note that when a pigeon or group of them take off in flight, their wings make a squeaking sound. I was speaking to the naturalist at a bird sanctuary, who didn't know the answer, but named off other birds whose wings make that sound, yet other "cousin" birds don't make it.
Every year a flock of big wild pigeons spends a week or so gorging on the berries in our Madrone trees. Their wings make a loud flapping noise when they take off or fly from branch to branch. Perhaps this is normal anytime they take off. Perhaps the extra payload of berries in their bellies requires them to flap extra hard in order to take off. Perhaps they are just sloppy fliers when drunk on partially fermented Madrone berries. I have asked them this question but they do not deign to speak with mere earthbound creatures.

My question: How much wood would a Woodchuck chuck?
We have no woodchucks here in coastal Northern California so I must rely on the expertise of those of you who live in close proximity to Woodchucks.
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Thank you! Loved to hear it again.

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