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Old 04-02-16, 11:29 PM
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What Braze-Ons For Your Touring/Rando Bike?

What braze-ons would you choose to have on a custom bike? Assume this is a fendered road bike of the touring or rando variety.

Cool, cute, clever custom things I've seen, then filed away in the "bike" part of my memory banks, include:
- Brackets that carry extra spokes on the right chainstay. The coolest ones carry three spokes - DS NDS front - and also serve as a chainstay protector.
- Pegs that position the pump of your choice in bespoke locations. Along the seatstay, under the top tube, behind the seat tube, etc.
- Guides to route electrical wiring, typically from a dynohub to the headtube. Although I've also seen wires routed internal to the fork.

So what would you like?
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All of 'em. In for a penny, in for a pound.

If it clamps, it should braze on.

Except the front derailleur. Adjustment is lousy, and you're stuck with a small range of chainrings.

And have the front fender bolt directly to the fork crown, no daruma.
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A decent canti or centerpull rear cable stop,
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assuming nothing, I want:
Down tube shifter bosses;
Under chain stay cable stop;
Derailleur hanger;
Guides for the rear brake cable, preferably on the left side, below center of the top tube;
Bosses for two or three water bottle cages;
Eyelets for fenders;
Eyelets for electrical wires.

Depending on usage, I'd probably want:
Bosses for cantilever or V brakes;
Or maybe bosses for centerpull brakes. If the latter, then also a cable stop bridge.
Threaded holes in chain stay bridge, seat stay bridge, and fork crown, for fender mounting;

And possibly bosses to hold racks, though in my experience they are usually in the wrong place.
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If'n I was to be spec'ing out a custom touring frame:

Two sets of eyelets on the rear dropout - one for fenders, one for rack.
At least one, maybe two sets of eyelets on front dropout (one for fender, one for handlebar bag straps)
Rack mount bosses on front fork.
fender mounting bosses on brake bridge, chainstay bridge and under fork crown.
Chain hanger peg.
driveside chainstay 'chainslap' protector.
non-driveside spoke holders.
Rear canti brake cable stop.
Front disc brake mount and/or canti mounts.
rear brake cable guides of your choice (top- or under toptube, or internal)
at least two sets of w/b mount bosses.
derailleur cable guides/stops.
Call me old-fashioned, but I still like chrome dropouts front and rear and even a chrome driveside chainstay.
Kickstand plate/mount (not that you have to use it, but... )
I've never felt the need for a frame pump peg because I find my Zefal HP's umbrella clamp to be sufficient and it can fit anybody's pump/size!
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So you'd want mounts for both disc brakes and rim brakes?
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So you'd want mounts for both disc brakes and rim brakes?
It couldn't hurt, plus canti-lever posts. And the same for rear rack braze-ons, there should be options to mount the different types, not just one. Same for the front too, there should be 2 sets of eyelets, on the fork ends, plus the threaded deals about half ways up the fork, for whichever rack you want to use. And I'd want my pump mounted on the back side of the seat tube, so it doesn't block access to the water bottles. There might be more coming, later.
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So you'd want mounts for both disc brakes and rim brakes?
My Bike Friday came that way , so did my Koga-Miyata WTR..

starting new, touring , there are rear triangle kickstands, that mount with 2 5mm bolts.. light and tidy.

I had 2 bottle boss sets on top of the top tube, 1 underneath, by the BB, and 1 on the seat tube.

you could add another pair under the top tube, there is a pump bracket that uses bottle mounts..

The spoke holder? Meh, I stow them in my panniers.. you could put some on top of the right chainstay

for chain slap, rather than the rubber strap on French Classics ..


because I had it , i put my bracket for my computer on the right fork blade .. [under the brake over the low rider rack ]

the cantilever brake i used a metal tube to route it around the seatpost,

Adding a mount for lights to my front Lowrider now its for a battery light, since summer days are long ..




Or this planning for a rando event competitor bike ? ALA PBP? never done one. not my thing..

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I bought my Bilenky Midlands tourer for a trip around Lake Superior last summer.

Also, I wanted to ride this "used" one for a few years to figure out what I wanted and really needed in a tourer.

It is loaded with braze-ons. Spoke holders, frame pump pegs, provisions for racks, four water bottles etc.

In addition to what you see here, I had a Tubus Tara front rack on the bike.

My front wheel had a SP dyno with Edelux II. Unfortunately, I taco'd this setup on the trip.

The only things I would add would be internal routing for the lights and the capacity for much wider tires.

The max I can go is 700x40 and I would like to go up to 700x43s so I can run Bruce Gordon's Rock n Roads.

The next trip we are taking with the tourers is an all gravel route to the cabin in Ely and then onward to Winnipeg.

From there, we are off to Kenora then back home through western Minnesota.


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So you'd want mounts for both disc brakes and rim brakes?
I'd just pick one style of brake. BTW, I wouldn't put disc brakes on a vintage frame, the stays and forks were not designed for them. Obviously you can't put posts for both cantis and centerpulls.
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What braze-ons would you choose to have on a custom bike? Assume this is a fendered road bike of the touring or rando variety.

Cool, cute, clever custom things I've seen, then filed away in the "bike" part of my memory banks, include:
- Brackets that carry extra spokes on the right chainstay. The coolest ones carry three spokes - DS NDS front - and also serve as a chainstay protector.
- Pegs that position the pump of your choice in bespoke locations. Along the seatstay, under the top tube, behind the seat tube, etc.
- Guides to route electrical wiring, typically from a dynohub to the headtube. Although I've also seen wires routed internal to the fork.

So what would you like?
After much deliberation, I went with the following pretty minimal set for my (still in the queue) Mercian KOM:

front and rear fender eyelets
rear rack eyelets (upper and lower)
seat tube and downtube bottle braze ons
top tube brake cable braze-ons

And that's all folks.

I considered canti braze ons then I decided cantilevers were overkill and unnecessary, and that if Weinmann centerpulls were good enough for Herse and Singer, they are good enough for me. Then I thought about brazed on center pull posts for koolness, but I may change my mind and go to dual pivot at some point. Rear brake bridge would be cool but it's kind of unnecessary.

I have a gran compe ENE mini front rack and intend to construct some sort of sturdy decaleur/bag holder to go with it, so no need for a front rack.

I was very tempted to go with some sort of pump peg to hold a zefal hp behind the seat tube, but I decided with modern mini pumps that's a little silly, if not in a bad way.

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I spec'd my Mercian (Vincitore Special) with the following:
fender eyelets front and rear, with mounting holes under the head tube and rear bridge
rack eyelets/mounting holes on the rear
canti bosses from and rear, including a rear brake cable stop
shifter bosses on the down tube, though I use bar-end shifters and cable stops on the bosses
two water bottle mounts (seat tube and down tube)
Having done a number of fairly long tours since I bought the bike in '07, I would make the following modifications:
braze-on front derailleur bracket (I've been using a clamp-on type and the down tube diameter is just a hair smaller than the clamp, resulting in some rotation and an occasional need for "realignment" of the derailleur)
front rack mounting eyelets and holes on the fork (I've been using a handlebar bag, and will continue doing so, but I'd like to mount some heavier panniers on the front end to balance the load better)
I don't see a need for a chain hanger pin or for spare spoke brackets, nor for any special amenities related to my SON/lamp wiring
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Yes, I'd like the option of putting a disc brake front wheel since most of the braking power is on the front wheel. Also, a disc brake would be nice on a loaded touring bike on long descents. Rim brakes tend to overheat if 'ridden' for long stretches, they wear the rim surface, and don't work as well in the rain that invariable happens on tour.. But cantis would still be an option - or use the canti bosses as small front rack mount if not using front panniers that need a full-size pannier rack cage up there.

I've never needed to replace a spoke on a long ride before, so maybe the spoke-holder is overkill - but what does it hurt? Same for chain-slap hoop, but I hate nicks in the paint. That wouldn't be as much of a problem on my preferred chrome chainstay. That said, my Fuji still wears the same piece of very thick vinyl tape that I put on the chainstay back in '77/78.

Hmmmm.... There might be enough room between rear fender and seat tube on a full-touring frame to mount the frame pump there... never thought of that - other than the Zefal's 'head' saddles are meant to be used on an acute angle. Compact pump? not for me!!!

No braze-on front derailleur mount for me. That limits my chainring selection, not to mention derailleur selection. I've never had a clamp-on one 'shift' on me yet! If it did, I'd probably trim a couple thou' off the clamp/bolt mating surfaces.

I did forget to state that I'd want to have the option to use 38-43mm tires - with fenders - so the frame/fork crown must be wide enough to accommodate. Something suitable for gravel/mud that one would encounter on portions of the GAP/C&O trail during the rainy season...

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The usual (two bottles, shifter bosses, gear cable guides and stops), plus:

  • Top tube cable STOPS for rear brake
  • Rear brake cable stop/hanger thingamabob on seat lug
  • Pivots for MAFAC Raid centerpulls
  • Fender bosses on crown and stay bridges
  • Bosses on fork for small ‘bar bag rack
  • Internal wiring for lighting system
  • No pump peg, since I use a Road Morph G and that’s not peg-compatible
  • NO FRONT DERAILLEUR BRAZE ON OR INTERNAL CABLING!!

Essentially, the traditional “full kit” rando package.



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