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Bianchi Identification: Look what the cat dragged in.

Old 04-09-16, 08:00 PM
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Bianchi Identification: Look what the cat dragged in.

I have started researching this bike. I have found indentyfing a Bianchi particularly hard. (Maybe b/c mine has no paint left on it). The run down: Color Celeste, Hubs and rims tubular Mavic; Miche headset , Cinelli handlebars, Shimano Tri-color 600 group set; Columbus decal (particular version of Columbus not clear). The unusual feature of this bike is the all chrome fork. There is also a decal indicating a championship victory of 1986 on the down tube. So, I guess it has to be later than 1986.
The year is not so important, I am interested in the model.
Does anyone recognize the model?
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Old 04-09-16, 11:22 PM
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Old 04-10-16, 06:28 AM
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no one has a guess on this?
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Old 04-10-16, 06:42 AM
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OK I'll play.

The seat tube sticker looks like that on my '89 SLX frame but mine has Gipiemme dropouts. Forks are all painted on the '89 models. Yours is high end for sure and should clean up nicely. Take the bottom bracket off and see if you can feel any SLX ridges in the seat tube and down tube. I'm curious if the local experts think this might be an X4 or Specialissimo.

I suspect the mish mash of parts are all added later in the bike's life. The frame is nicer than the components.

Nice find!
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Old 04-10-16, 06:59 AM
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I can never understand how some one could have such a fine bicycle and treat it so poorly.
Worthy of a pro repaint.
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Old 04-10-16, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs View Post
OK I'll play.

The seat tube sticker looks like that on my '89 SLX frame but mine has Gipiemme dropouts. Forks are all painted on the '89 models. Yours is high end for sure and should clean up nicely. Take the bottom bracket off and see if you can feel any SLX ridges in the seat tube and down tube. I'm curious if the local experts think this might be an X4 or Specialissimo.

I suspect the mish mash of parts are all added later in the bike's life. The frame is nicer than the components.

Nice find!
Thank you for your response. The components point to a lower, low-mid model. But, the frame.....it seems of higher quality than the parts would indicate. The decals say, "Columbus" but no signs of level of tubes. The BB is Cinelli for sure; stamped Cinelli.
I search all late 80s catalogues...cannot find a bike with all chrome forks. The frame seems for similar to the higher end models...BUT, the high end all had Campagnolo components. I searched Google Images and cannot find a match.
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Old 04-10-16, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs View Post
Take the bottom bracket off and see if you can feel any SLX ridges in the seat tube and down tube.

Nice find!
I will have to check this out; not familiar with these "ridges".
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Old 04-10-16, 07:20 AM
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When did they start having FD braze ons ? And when did they stop?

late 80's to early 90's maybe...
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vintagerando, There's also the possibility that it's a high end frame set built with the 600 group by, or for the original owner. My dating guess is that it's a late '80s or early '90s.

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Old 04-10-16, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by vintagerando View Post
...The components point to a lower, low-mid model. ...
600 isn't, IMHO, mid model.

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I will have to check this out; not familiar with these "ridges".
Similar to rifling in a firearm.

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Old 04-10-16, 07:42 AM
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The decal indicates Columbus SL.

Braze-on front derailleur tabs are indicative of a higher end model, so too are the panto'd seat stay caps and fork.

Too bad about the paint but, if everything is straight, you've got a very nice frameset worth restoring.

Edit: what model of Mavic rims are they?

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Old 04-10-16, 08:02 AM
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Two features that may be important: bottom bracket shell (Cinelli) and bridge between chainstays. See photos.
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Originally Posted by jet sanchEz View Post
The decal indicates Columbus SL.

Braze-on front derailleur tabs are indicative of a higher end model, so too are the panto'd seat stay caps and fork.

Too bad about the paint but, if everything is straight, you've got a very nice frameset worth restoring.

Edit: what model of Mavic rims are they?
One sticker remains. I think is said "GL 330."

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Old 04-10-16, 10:20 AM
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the mixed group tells me that it was likely not the original. closer inspection the bike has dura ace BB, dura ace RD, shimano 600 brakes and cranks. I am hoping it's a higher end model frame.
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Old 04-10-16, 10:32 AM
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this bike is trusty man
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Old 04-10-16, 10:48 AM
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All of the frame and fork details point to it being from the Reparto Corse, not an assembly-line frame. Components were probably a cost-saving measure or from a later rebuild. Definitely worthy of a quality resto and high-end Campy gruppo.

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OC, OR
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Old 04-10-16, 11:16 AM
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It's a beautiful frame. I'm going to guess Mondiale, but time may prove me wrong. Definitely higher end and a keeper.
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Old 04-10-16, 11:27 AM
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this is a bike i would definitely consider having painted by a pro. I know it's expensive, but I love the frame, it's the right size and I got it at the right price. $60. just need to narrow down to potential models. One discouraging thing: it does not feel SL, or SLX light.....
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Bianchi's are not that light. Pretty certain it's SL. I think it was 86 when the Reparto Corsa models switched from Campy dropouts to Gipiemme. I guarantee you that you have one of the higher end frames, there's no question.
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Old 04-10-16, 12:43 PM
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What's interesting is that the X-3 and Mondiale share many similar features. The later Modiale's were supposed to have pantographing on the seat- tubes and bb, but instead around 88 had cheap stickers. The earlier Mondial's had a right rear chrome chain stay and were made of SL.

1988 0r 89 is when they started using SLX. This is a very high end frame.

The early Bianchi Specialissima's around the same time as the frame shown in this thread had a "bullet" style seat cap. So, that leaves the X-3 or Mondiale. If I were to take a guess, I would say Mondiale frame made with SL.

Take a picture of the Rear brake bridge. edit: Looking at the rear BB, it looks like the first generation Mondiale, 85-87.

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Old 04-10-16, 01:09 PM
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the catalogue entry for 1990 Mondiale looks very similar. But the catalogue does not show this model with a chrome fork. Also, did the Mondiale have a Cinelli BB, I wonder?
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1990 is too late. Something is making me guess 1987 Mondiale. Definitely worth restoring.
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The logo style in conjunction with the round world championship decal indicates it is no older than 1988. However, all the SL/SP frames went from Campagnolo to Gipiemme dropouts in 1987 (at least in the USA and Canada). Even the SLX/SPX frames used Gipiemme dropouts by at least 1989. This suggests it may be something like a circa 1988 X-4 with SLX/SPX. Of course, it could also be a foreign model which really complicates matters. As suggested, I'd be removing the bottom bracket and checking for the five helical ridges indicative of SPX/SLX inside the bottoms of the seat tube, down tube and chain stays(see photo of SLX tube section attached).
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Old 04-10-16, 06:33 PM
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The logo style in conjunction with the round world championship decal indicates it is no older than 1988. However, all the SL/SP frames went from Campagnolo to Gipiemme dropouts in 1987 (at least in the USA and Canada). Even the SLX/SPX frames used Gipiemme dropouts by at least 1989. This suggests it may be something like a circa 1988 X-4 with SLX/SPX. Of course, it could also be a foreign model which really complicates matters. As suggested, I'd be removing the bottom bracket and checking for the five helical ridges indicative of SPX/SLX inside the bottoms of the seat tube, down tube and chain stays(see photo of SLX tube section attached).
Thanks....now if the BB reads '38x24", its Italian threaded, correct? Age old question:Which way do I turn to remove lockring on drivetrain side?
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Old 04-10-16, 08:26 PM
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Yes, it's Italian threaded but it's 36 x 24. The lockring is on the non-drive side. Both cups on an Italian threaded bottom bracket are right hand threads.
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