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Old 04-11-16, 09:33 PM
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Miele Road Bicycle Information

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I've recently acquired a Miele road bike (58cm TT C-C, 59cm ST C-C) but am unsure of it's origins. Based in Australia, we do not see many of these so first of all, I'm wondering, is it actually a Miele? It has been powder coated black with Miele decals. I don't believe the fork to be original and it had a whole mix of parts on it. Shimano 600 tricolor RD and shifters, Shimano 600 Arabesque crankset, Shimano exage FD and brake levers, malliard hubs with mavic tubular rims, gipiemme crono special brake calipers, 3ttt stem, cinelli handlebars and a 26.6 seatpost. I've tried fitting a 26.8 but it definitely is too big. I'm trying to figure out what type of steel the frame is made out of. I was really hoping it was some sort of columbus tubing, but from my research on these forums, it appears that may never have made any columbus in 26.6. If it truly is a Miele, it could potentially be made of Ishiwata or Tange II or Tange Infinity tubing. The frame alone weighs roughly 2.25kg (is this seen as lightweight?) and I can just make out a serial number on the bottom of the seat tube: P3361549. It's also interesting that the rear dropouts, although are not named, have no mudguard/rack eyelets which suggests to me that this frame was made for racing - I have not come across a lower end frame which does not have eyelets on the dropouts. I plan on using it and building it up with a full Shimano 6400 tricolor groupset, but I still would like to know at least whether I have a Miele or not, and what tubing the frame is made of. Thanks in advance.
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Old 04-11-16, 09:40 PM
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They look to be Columbus Dropouts.
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Perhaps this Miele brochure will help...
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This frame has all the characteristics of a high end racing frame, except for the small seat post size. This suggests that either the frame uses metric tubing or that an undersize post has been installed. Measure the outside diameter of the seat tube to see if it is metric (28 mm) or imperial (1-1/8" or 28.6 mm). If it's imperial, check the cinch slot in the back of the lug to ensure that it is not notably pinched at the top. While you are at it, check the stampings on the bottom bracket cups to see if it has French (35 x 1), English (1.37 x 24) or Italian (36 x 24) threading. If you remove the fork, most tubing manfacturers stamp their name or logo on the steerer tube.
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I'd be very excited if they were columbus dropouts! Are dropouts named on the inside or only the outside? I removed some of the paint from the inside of the dropout and there was no name. I had already searched through that miele brochure but could not find a match. There are also no pantographs of miele anywhere on the frame. I will measure the outside diameter when i get the chance. The bottom bracket is english threaded and the fork has no name but has mudguard eyelets which does not match the frame, so I don't believe these forks are original. The closest match I've found to my bike are these pictures. But i don't believe P3361549 is a Miele serial number.


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Old 04-13-16, 07:39 AM
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My Miele Equipe has the same deopouts. The rears are not named. But the fronts are.

SET ROAD HORIZONAL FRONT & REAR DROPOUTS without Eyelets :: DROPOUTS :: Nova Cycles Supply Inc.

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Your attachments don't work, you may want to check those.

My first reaction when looking at your frame was that it had all the marking of a Miele Gara. The one thing that doesn't fit was the internal seat post size. The Gara used Columbus Cromor tubing which would be a 27.2 seat post size. T-Mar makes some great comments on that point.

The Gara originally came with the tri colour Shimano 600 and so at least one of your components fits. The fork is not Miele but you already know that.

Good luck with your search.
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Originally Posted by blakcloud View Post
Your attachments don't work, you may want to check those.

My first reaction when looking at your frame was that it had all the marking of a Miele Gara. The one thing that doesn't fit was the internal seat post size. The Gara used Columbus Cromor tubing which would be a 27.2 seat post size. T-Mar makes some great comments on that point.

The Gara originally came with the tri colour Shimano 600 and so at least one of your components fits. The fork is not Miele but you already know that.

Good luck with your search.
I have a 1990 Miele Gara and none of the details on this bike look like mine.
No pantos on your bike - fork crown, seatstay caps
BB is not Miele branded on yours.
Seatstay caps are not the same shape, either
Brake bridge is not the same.
No internal brake routing on yours.
My bottle bosses do not have diamonds.
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Looked hard at the picture of the bottom bracket shell. It may have been filled/obscured by the powder coat but there should be a small indented stamp that says Miele inside an oval in the middle of the outside of the BB shell if it's a Miele. I'd also expect to see Miele engraved into the seat stay caps. Nice frame, anyway!
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Originally Posted by blakcloud View Post
Your attachments don't work, you may want to check those.

My first reaction when looking at your frame was that it had all the marking of a Miele Gara. The one thing that doesn't fit was the internal seat post size. The Gara used Columbus Cromor tubing which would be a 27.2 seat post size. T-Mar makes some great comments on that point.

The Gara originally came with the tri colour Shimano 600 and so at least one of your components fits. The fork is not Miele but you already know that.

Good luck with your search.
My Miele is Columbus SLX with a 27.0 Seat Post. 27.2 will not fit. Go figure.
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Old 04-14-16, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Wileyone View Post
My Miele Equipe has the same deopouts. The rears are not named. But the fronts are.
Oh cool, thats good to know! Do you mind telling me what size seatpost your Miele Equipe takes?
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Originally Posted by devinfan View Post
Looked hard at the picture of the bottom bracket shell. It may have been filled/obscured by the powder coat but there should be a small indented stamp that says Miele inside an oval in the middle of the outside of the BB shell if it's a Miele. I'd also expect to see Miele engraved into the seat stay caps. Nice frame, anyway!
I've searched all over the frame in detail for any form of pantographing or labelling and all I can find is a serial number at the bottom of the seat tube with P3361549. Anyone know of any manufacturers with serial numbers starting with P? Regardless of what it is, I am still happy with the frame
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Originally Posted by Rapier32 View Post
Oh cool, thats good to know! Do you mind telling me what size seatpost your Miele Equipe takes?
27.0
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I've searched all over the frame in detail for any form of pantographing or labelling and all I can find is a serial number at the bottom of the seat tube with P3361549. Anyone know of any manufacturers with serial numbers starting with P? Regardless of what it is, I am still happy with the frame
T-Mar maintains a thread for serial number sequence / decoding for Asian builders. LINK
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Based on the serial number format and location, the best candidate for manufacturer is Pacific Cycles of Taiwan. If so, the frame was built late enough in 1983 to be either a 1983 or 1984 model. Pacific is best known for manufacturing some of the Lotus during this period. However, the Pacific manufactured Lotus that have surfaced tend to be entry level or lower mid-range. Even the lower mid-range Lotus models from this period tend to have embossing on them, so I don't believe it is a Lotus.

We know that Guvin sourced some of the earlier Miele models from Italy and Japan but I haven't heard of any being sourced from Taiwan. Miele decals are readily available on Ebay. I suspect the previous owner just bought what he could, to get some decals on the bicycle.

I'm still perplexed by the apparently high grade details in conjunction with a relatively small post. Are you sure that the seat lug hasn't been pinched due to the previous owner using an under sized post?
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Sorry for the late response, I've had other projects on the go. Brought the miele frame back out and the seatlug has indeed been pinched. I gently wedged it apart and now a 26.8 slides in smoothly. Never heard pacific cycles or locus down here in AUS, i believe you're right about someone adding the decals, as nothing about the frame appears to match any other mieles. I will continue searching with some more local forums as it is likely built closer to home.
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