chrismorg

looking for any information on the late 50s early 60s Turismo front and rear changers they look like a less expensive type of the gran sport with black anodized cages did these appear in any catalogs **********????/ any help would be appreciated ( my searches get gummed up with the later Gran Turismo)

FBinNY 

Yes, it looks to be a B-level version of the Gran Sports. It appears to be of similar quality and construction in most aspects, except most notably for the cage. BTW - I suspect that the cage isn't black anodized, but pressed steel or brass with a black oxidized finish.

It's also possible that the cage is longer and has more take up capacity, but you'd have to measure and compare.

chrismorg

the cages are black anodized not oxidized cages are clean and the finish is shiny black not oxidized steel

FBinNY 

Are they steel or aluminum?

You can check easily enough with a magnet.

chrismorg

they are steel my question is about the turismo group itself I am looking for any brochures or years it was

sandy79

looks to be a grand sport group but never seen a turismo stamp on the casting and the fronts were always chrome is that a black chrome

Henry III

I sold my "Turismo" on ebay not too long ago. It was the only one I've ever seen before and the guy who bought thought the same also. He just bought it because he never saw one either and thought it was pretty interesting.

FBinNY 

Can't help you with more info on the Tourismo group of that era. But maybe I can clarify something.

I described the cages as having a black oxide finish and you bristled, saying they were anodized. Not that it matters either way, but for your future reference, steel cannot be anodized. Steel can be plated, or be treated chemically a number of ways including black oxide. The shininess isn't relevant, you are just seeing the surface condition of the base metal before treatment or plating.

Years ago I used to produce steel freewheel removers which we finished in black-ox. Prior to the black treatment we used to burnish the metal to a high shine, and the finished tools ended up with a very rich black luster that looked like obsidian glass.

chrismorg

thanks for your info it does help ..... was just looking for info on the turismo group all my searches so far keeps pointing to the gran turismo which is not even close

FBinNY 

Try here. There's PDFs of 3 catalogs from 1953, 55, and 57, so there's a good chance you'll find something. If not, go later and look at the early sixties.

MR BIG STUFF

Then they are not anodized.

chrismorg

thanks but I already looked there no mention of turismo

muzpuf

thos catalogs were not the most accurate back then (sportsman group)

sandy79

using the black parts to make a new derailleur is like when they took the nuovo record and added black parts to it to make the super record fronts
but the turismo rear is a stamped part and campy should have included it in a catalog somewhere

juvela

Will look forward to following this discussion. Have had two or three Turismo rears snoozing in a parts drawer for over thirty years. Have wondered about them without ever finding any information.

Cage plates are stamped steel sheet finished in black paint.

muzpuf

well wake them up ...... how much do you want for them

chrismorg

does any users have a turismo derailleur on one of their vintage bikes

muzpuf

I would have thought someone out there would have had one also

juvela

wrt the catalogues -

There seem to be a few Campagnolo products which never made their way into a catalogue.

Started a thread here regarding a shift lever set I have never found in a catalogue -

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...a-experts.html

muzpuf

yes Ive seen those red and plastic wing nut shifters before ............ campy never could have imagined the cult like status their parts would become