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Old 05-09-16, 08:30 AM
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I am not really digging any of your choices. Perhaps the Sugino XD600 is most appropriate, as it has a certain JDM-ishness that might work OK. The others have that 90s soul patch and ponytail vibe that sort of clashes IMO with the rest of a Toei.

Have you seen the new(ish) SunXCD cranks? Those would seem more appropriate being that they are high end, frenchie inspired and Japanese - like the Toei.


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Since we're going there, how about the Stronglight 99 / 99BIS?






It has a very certain 1970s appeal to it- but very classic-y.
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Since we're going there, how about the Stronglight 99 / 99BIS?










It has a very certain 1970s appeal to it- but very classic-y.
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Update; my final choices... ThermionicScott will likely be pleased...

I settled on a (minty) & kinda rare RX100 triple crankset, 170mm, 48/38/28 (btw, likely w/ a Suzue 'Classica' freewheel RH, HG 7 sp; likely LX derailleurs [I have an NOS set that's been sitting around my shop for several years now] & RX100 shifters & aero levers; Nitto stem & seatpost). I gave the Sugino AT some very serious thought, but its BB requirements would likely make it an odd fit (it's a shame because I really, really like that crank).

As for what's stylistically 'fitting' on a Toei... While I appreciate the comments, functionality is important to me; 'twee' effects are not. This bike won't be a museum piece or garage queen, but more-or-less a daily rider. This is why I'll be building it up with a vintage Shimano drivetrain rather than SunTour or TA/Simplex/Huret. The only nod I might make in that direction would be in tracking down a Maxi-Car FH. I'll probably use Soma Portola HBs, since I find them pretty comfortable & they're much like the old GB touring bars common to Japanese 'campeurs' of that time.

Also, here's a few photos to tide you over... as you can see, there's a certain amount of surface rust & pitting that will have to be seen to (Btw, those ARE Ishiwata 022 decals in the fork & ST; this thing's light as a feather).

Quick addendum: I should also note that this design is pretty timeless; however the serial numbers seem to indicate that the frame dates either from 1982 or 1985, depending on which system you use.
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Old 12-21-16, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Salamandrine View Post
I am not really digging any of your choices. Perhaps the Sugino XD600 is most appropriate, as it has a certain JDM-ishness that might work OK. The others have that 90s soul patch and ponytail vibe that sort of clashes IMO with the rest of a Toei.

Have you seen the new(ish) SunXCD cranks? Those would seem more appropriate being that they are high end, frenchie inspired and Japanese - like the Toei.



I'm running a Sun XCD crank with a TA ring stack, and it's gorgeous - also hugely functional


Here's a built Toei at Jitensha that is also running TA crank
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Old 12-22-16, 04:07 AM
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DIMcyclist, RX100 was pretty good kit, IMHO. At the time it was on the market it was considered identical to 105 except for color. I didn't know a crank set was available with those chain rings.

I have a project that's mostly RX100 and the bits I needed were hard to source, which was a surprise.

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Old 12-25-16, 07:56 PM
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I've always been fond of RX100 myself... And I agree, Bradtx; RX100 IS basically 105, albeit 'last year's model.' Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's always seemed that Shimano uses the 'R' designation to clear out older components when they update their groups.

With regard to that RX100 crankset, good eye: you see the doubles all the time, but the triple gruppos are pretty rare here in the U.S. From what I've gathered, RX100 triples were mostly distributed in Europe, and mine is no exception: I snagged it via ebay from a vintage parts dealer in the Netherlands. It's in beautiful condition- nearly new; I'd be surprised if it had more than 50 miles on it.

The only major components I have yet to spec are the brakes; I'm currently torn between Paul's Neo-Retro & Touring cantis... The Neo-Retros superficially resemble the old Mafac cantis that were likely part of the bike's original build, but I tend to prefer lower-profile brakes. It's a bit of a conundrum, but at least I have a couple of years to think about it.

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Old 12-25-16, 08:07 PM
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I've got an RX100 triple crank mated with a RSX group and I've seen this combo a few times. RX100 groups seem to be doubles with downtube shifters. It's a great functioning group so knock yourself out.
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Cranksets or walk it.




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Touring build

This is a good thread. Many of the older MTB bikes that are being re proposed as city bikes and commuters are in need of a gearing change to taller more road friendly gears. I'm starting such a build now using a Raleigh 24" MTB, my third such conversion. I use lighter smoother tires, with aluminum wheels and switch out the handlebars/cables to aluminum bars with risers for a more upright position. I would like suggestions on what has 50 teeth on the big gear with three rings and 170 cranks?
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You might want to check out the 'Drop-bar Conversions' thread, as well as the 'Poor Man's Rivendell' thread; some beautiful bikes have been shown there over the years.

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Cranksets or walk it.
Do you think Toei would make one of those if someone asked them nicely enough?

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Love that Toei, if me I would go with Sugino Pro Dynamic's.
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With the notable exception of 49T/110BCD/5-arm, AFAIK. The 49T is the sweet spot for me on a half-step setup, i.e. with a 52T large ring. If you know of an affordable/available 49T/110BCD chainring, please enlighten me. Until then, I'm making do with 48T on my 110/74 triples.
Weird champagne color, but here's a 49T 110mm chainring for $25:

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My vote's for the Sugino AT. Classic good looks and a much lower Q-factor than you'll get with many modern triples. I use an IRD Quad55 127mm BB set with no spacers fot the AT crank on my Trek 620. Since it's a symetrical spindle, it gets the inner chainring to within 3mm of the chainstay resulting in a Q-factor of ~148. According to Frank Berto, this is the best way to set up triples. Since you're only going to use the inner ring with the largest cogs, there's no reason to create a chainline centered on the middle chainring.


Edit: Sorry - I missed that you'd already made your crankset choice...



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For a Toei, which is probably more "French" than anything in France, I'd go with a TA Pro vis 5 or a copy such as the Sun XCD, or a Stronglight 49 with TA rings. The René Herse copies from Compass would also be a good choice. My recommendation is simply based on my taste and style prefernce , not on quality or performance.
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Originally Posted by SuperLJ View Post
My vote's for the Sugino AT. Classic good looks and a much lower Q-factor than you'll get with many modern triples. I use an IRD Quad55 127mm BB set with no spacers fot the AT crank on my Trek 620. Since it's a symetrical spindle, it gets the inner chainring to within 3mm of the chainstay resulting in a Q-factor of ~148. According to Frank Berto, this is the best way to set up triples. Since you're only going to use the inner ring with the largest cogs, there's no reason to create a chainline centered on the middle chainring.


Edit: Sorry - I missed that you'd already made your crankset choice...



What chain rings are those on your AT? They are fantastic.
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What chain rings are those on your AT? They are fantastic.
Willow. Still some for sale here: Willow Chainrings, &c. | Treetop Designs.
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Willow. Still some for sale here: Willow Chainrings, &c. | Treetop Designs.
Purchased. Thank you, sir.
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My pleasure - glad to help!
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I bought one of those Willow chainrings in 49T/130BCD for my go-fast bike. Gonna put it on before spring.
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Hello Everyone,

I'm spec'ing the parts for my upcoming 650b Toei restoration, and was hoping to garner some opinions about some potential cranksets (all triples). I was originally planning to transfer a Sugino XD600 to the Toei from my trusty old Trek; while it is a tad scuffed (and aesthetically maybe not the best for this project), it's still in nice shape and re-using it appeals to my more frugal & practical side. That said, the experimenter in me would really dig using a triplized Sugino GP-130, and the aesthete is keen on using an Ultegra 6503 (or a similar 105/ 5505). Another part of me is kinda keen on using a Shimano 105/ 1055 SC gruppo... Or maybe even RX100.

Nothing's going to happen anytime soon, but if it were you, which route would you take? Any suggestions?
I think you should figure out the gearing you want, and then see what cranksets will let you achieve it. Some of the ones you mention have a 130mm bolt circle that will preclude a middle ring smaller than 39 or 38, ruling out my favorite gearing. But since you mentioned aesthetics, have you considered the Rene Herse crank? That should be the icing on the cake for a Toei.
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Well... it's been a strange trip with more than a few twists & turns.

Among other things, I finagled a great score over the holidays with a pair of matching Primus 48cm frame pumps, same as the original issue for both the Toei & the Atlantis shown below.

I also found a bottom bracket that addresses my needs, having finally settled on the Sugino AT as the Toei's crankset, coupled with another pair of gems I've had tucked away for about a decade or so: a mint Shimano MT60 derailleur set. The BB will be an IRD QB-95; it comes in the right length with a JIS taper and it can be adjusted like a Phil, which eliminates my concerns about chainline. Another nice thing about it is its concave shell; it makes for easy routing of the internal generator wire around the spindle. All in all, a pretty good match up, I think.

As a final note, the RX100 crankset & LX derailleurs won't go to waste but will instead be used on my Atlantis, since they're cosmetically similar to its OEM SunTour components (XCD 6000, circa 1990). Btw, this Atlantis isn't GP's Rivendell frame, but Bridgestone's earlier, non-export 650B frame that first inspired the XO series.

Just in case you're curious, here's a pic or two from the Atlantis repaint (the first image was taken after applying the gold base-coat; the second was taken after the first coat of red top-coat, unsanded. The final color will be a deep metallic cherry.):
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