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OK people talk me down, I'm on the edge here - tire removal.

Old 05-06-16, 09:38 AM
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OK people talk me down, I'm on the edge here - tire removal.

Trying to get a Conti gatorskin off of a Mavic G40. I'm getting ready to go all rock star in hotel room with this thing.
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Old 05-06-16, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs View Post
Trying to get a Conti gatorskin off of a Mavic G40. I'm getting ready to go all rock star in hotel room with this thing.

Working mans poetry!

How many levers have you broken ?

can you leave it in a hot place for an hour to soften up the rubber?
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Old 05-06-16, 09:42 AM
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Warm up with heat gun has worked for me at times like this (on the tire - not me...)
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Old 05-06-16, 09:43 AM
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At the shop we had a long lever with the usual lip which was reserved for the tough ones.

What at type lever do you have?
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Old 05-06-16, 09:51 AM
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As much yelling and cursing as I've done at it it should be pretty warm! I'm currently using a generic lever plus a steel core spin doctor lever. I flatted this tire a couple of days ago and wanted to put a short stem tube in instead of my long stem "every wheel" spare tube. I usually ride with only one lever and managed to get it off that day with a little stress crack in the lever. I was motivated by the potential shame of having to call for a ride though.

Yeah I've often thought I need to get one of those long levers that you attach to the quick release but thought it would spoil me for emergency road side repairs. I'm gonna take a break and come back to it later. Just needed to vent, the dog was getting nervous about the yelling.
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Old 05-06-16, 09:54 AM
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Sorry if this sounds academic, not intended to be demeaning. Make sure all the air is out of the tube. Make sure the bead in not on the seat but in the center of the rim opposite the valve stem. Try to leverage beside the valve stem on each side doing one side first.
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Originally Posted by SJX426 View Post
Make sure the bead in not on the seat but in the center of the rim opposite the valve stem.
This is a key step that I've found many experienced cyclists not to know about, probably because it's only necessary with tight-fitting tire/rim combos.
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I walked into a trusted bike shop one day in a similar situation as yours and said "sell me a tire lever that doesn't suck". He sold me a single quik stik lever. Best money I have ever spent on a tire lever. Bigger and easier to use than those smaller levers.
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...did you take the tube out... then, roll-it making short, snorting noises?
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Old 05-06-16, 10:06 AM
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Glass cleaner or diluted dish soap, might be messy but sounds like its going to be anyway. Also "massage" all the slack to one spot for the first lever
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I use the full metal park tool levers for the particularly tough tire/rim combinations, after putting the bead into the center of the rim and massaging the tire all of the way around to the valve stem. Valve stem is the last place you want to push the tire ON and the first place to take it OFF because it gets in the way of the bead going to the center of the rim.

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I usually push the tire up against the workbench, with the rim horizontal. I'll then take my thumbs and start opposite of the valve stem and push the bead into the center of the rim while also trying to stretch the tire in the direction I'm trying to get it off. I do both sides at the same time so my thumbs start together opposite the valve stem, then go opposite ways, then would meet again at the valve stem. Hard to explain I guess.

Using this method I've successfully mounted and dismounted tires relatively easily when others in the shop have given up and declared the rim a 27" rim (we were trying to mount 700c tires on a 700c rim.)

There's a video of someone using a few zip ties and his hands to mount hard tires (I believe gatorskins) on a hard rim. I can't seem to find it though in my 15 seconds of googling.

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Old 05-06-16, 10:08 AM
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Is your rim standard clincher or "tubeless ready"?

If it is tubeless ready, you have to make sure the tire is worked down into the channel.

I did have a couple of Contis on RS-10 wheels that seemed a bit tighter than expected, but they still go on/off.
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Old 05-06-16, 10:20 AM
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Go rock star hotel room, the manager will have to deal with the aftermath!. Life on the road does get stressful. I keep a few old performance metal levers, approx 25 years old that have never failed but you have to watch gouging the rim if really tight. The park tool plastics have been working pretty well for me on most standard removals but only using them a year or so. I have also used three levers but not sure if it did jack as I was pretty angry at that point, fun trying to hold two down and leverage the third (it did come off).
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I've been using the big Pedro's levers lately...beefier and stiffer than the Park levers that I'd been using.
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Old 05-06-16, 11:15 AM
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Not to sound glib or snarky or anything, but that's one reason I don't use Conti tires.

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I think yer thinking of this one, @corrado33.

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OK got it!

Took a break, ate some lunch, watched a little "Big Lebowski" on Amazon Prime (the Dude abides!) and went back to it. I channelled the Dude and not Walter Sobchak. I put a work glove on to lessen fear of dinging my hand again. I sat on the wheel while upright, anchoring my base lever with my butt and left hand and then worked my way down with the steel lever. Done!
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Glad to hear you saved the ledge for more important moments!
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
I think yer thinking of this one, @corrado33.
That's it! Thank you good sir!
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Call me a naysayer, but what do you do if you flat on the road in the next few miles? Carry a spare wheel?

I'd be thinking the bicycle gods were trying gently to suggest I perhaps shouldn't be riding that tire on that rim.

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Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs View Post
OK got it!

Took a break, ate some lunch, watched a little "Big Lebowski" on Amazon Prime (the Dude abides!) and went back to it. I channelled the Dude and not Walter Sobchak. I put a work glove on to lessen fear of dinging my hand again. I sat on the wheel while upright, anchoring my base lever with my butt and left hand and then worked my way down with the steel lever. Done!
Ow the dreaded hand ding. That has got me going a few times as well. It's very similar to the dreaded working on a car hand ding which also is a miserable experience.
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I still insist on using steel tire levers. I've never broken one. I've broken plenty aluminum and plastic levers.
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Mavic G40??....
I'm a bit surprised. I was expecting the offending rim to be an Ambrosio Elite!
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Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
Mavic G40??....
I'm a bit surprised. I was expecting the offending rim to be an Ambrosio Elite!
Yes must be the thick bead on the Conti tire. I sold a set of Campy Protons last year that used to unleash the beast in me.
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Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
Mavic G40??....
I'm a bit surprised. I was expecting the offending rim to be an Ambrosio Elite!
never experienced that kind of battle with mine.
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