The Hunt is Over...
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The Hunt is Over...
How many times have I heard "the hunt is over". I believe there is even a thread pertaining to that. Of course...
There is the N+1 factor which, far more often than not, kicks in immediately after acquiring N, N being your first bike. Put another way, the hunt continues. However...
For me, unless a bike I have is already completely original, and a few of those have come my way, the hunt usually continues. For example, my Atala Pro is on the road, but since getting it up and running, I have continued to seek out the proper, period and model correct stuff that I just didn't have.
First it was the correct front derailleur. And then, two weeks after I left for Jamaica last Fall, the correct and rare Campy NR rear derailleur came my way. Yes, it came at a price but a darn good one considering what these usually go for. A 1967-69 Campagnolo NR rear derailleur. Note the irregular dimple pattern on the face.
Looking forward to installing it when I get a chance to install the rear der. But the hunt for that next illusive part continues and, for me, that is a big part of the fun of collecting and restoring vintage bicycles.
Well, time to go for my first serious Yard Sale day since last year.
There is the N+1 factor which, far more often than not, kicks in immediately after acquiring N, N being your first bike. Put another way, the hunt continues. However...
For me, unless a bike I have is already completely original, and a few of those have come my way, the hunt usually continues. For example, my Atala Pro is on the road, but since getting it up and running, I have continued to seek out the proper, period and model correct stuff that I just didn't have.
First it was the correct front derailleur. And then, two weeks after I left for Jamaica last Fall, the correct and rare Campy NR rear derailleur came my way. Yes, it came at a price but a darn good one considering what these usually go for. A 1967-69 Campagnolo NR rear derailleur. Note the irregular dimple pattern on the face.
Looking forward to installing it when I get a chance to install the rear der. But the hunt for that next illusive part continues and, for me, that is a big part of the fun of collecting and restoring vintage bicycles.
Well, time to go for my first serious Yard Sale day since last year.
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Congrats, and yes, the hunt is never over. I'm expecting a box from Portland, OR soon.
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My hunts usually restart when something breaks or I realize how much fun building a new bike can be.
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Randy, I have a "Patent" Campy derailleur on my Viking. It has the regular dimple pattern on it. Would you know if it is also from this time period?
Also, for this same bike I was able to find a 40 hole Scheeren wood filled rim to rebuild the rear wheel. Love tracking down this old stuff.
Also, for this same bike I was able to find a 40 hole Scheeren wood filled rim to rebuild the rear wheel. Love tracking down this old stuff.
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When in practice, the bicycle addict is a hopeless sort. Well, I am anyway. Way too hard to resist temptation of looking on CL, garage sales and thrift stores....and...bam.. next thing you know......another one follows you home needing all sorts of your attention. Next thing you know.. the hunt is on to find that elusive part it needs. It never ends.
This summer will be focused on riding and finding out which bikes to keep as I'm at full capacity. But man is it ever hard to stop picking up poor unloved bikes for near nothing. I just want to fix them all and loathe seeing them in a sorry state.
This summer will be focused on riding and finding out which bikes to keep as I'm at full capacity. But man is it ever hard to stop picking up poor unloved bikes for near nothing. I just want to fix them all and loathe seeing them in a sorry state.
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Nice find! I had to search for a 76/77 NR for my '77 Colnago Super restoration last summer. Huge accomplishment to find the right parts.
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Hunt less, ride more.
The Hunt is over.
The Hunt is over.
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OK, so I'm typing out how there's not much of anything that I want... And then I think of one thing, then another, then another part to go with that, and then another thing... Yeah, no matter how awesome your bike(s) is/are, no matter how awesome style it's built up- there's always something else.
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For me, it was about ¾ of the enjoyment, at the time I was hunting, the other quarter got split from the feeling of getting an auctioned part at a decent price, and lastly what I learned about the various components, and its manufacturer.
Randy, you have this one nailed, I find myself making mental lists of small details I want to take care of on the new build, even though now its rideable. The correct handlebars and toe clips/straps, finding a correct Columbus decal for the seat tube, a Silca pump with the right Campagnolo heard on it and that can be painted to match the frame, etc,. etc. It just never ends. And, just when it seems that you have got things nailed, someone posts about what they just found to restore and build. The hunt begins once again!
Bill
Randy, you have this one nailed, I find myself making mental lists of small details I want to take care of on the new build, even though now its rideable. The correct handlebars and toe clips/straps, finding a correct Columbus decal for the seat tube, a Silca pump with the right Campagnolo heard on it and that can be painted to match the frame, etc,. etc. It just never ends. And, just when it seems that you have got things nailed, someone posts about what they just found to restore and build. The hunt begins once again!
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I never hunt for elusive anything. I just get distracted by the next shiny object that lands in front of me. The effect is roughly the same.
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The problem is that things find me even when I'm not looking and BAM, I've got another project. What's a guy to do?
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Randy, I have a "Patent" Campy derailleur on my Viking. It has the regular dimple pattern on it. Would you know if it is also from this time period?
The irregular dimple was made from 1967 to 1969 with only PATENT stamped into the top. In 1969, 69 was added to the stamping, but only for 69 and the dimples were all aligned. Seventy saw 70/aligned, and so on, until the end of 1984.
I do know, for sure, that date stamps seemed to come to an end in 1984 with 84 being the last one. After that, there were no two digit dates included in the stamping. If there is a post 84 NR rear derailleur, chances are more than good that it will have no date stamp. But will it have the PATENT stamp?
I am not sure about this and now would be a great time for me to seek the input of others.
Big Chainring, can you post some pictures of your derailleur and any stamped information, top, front and back. Armed with that, we might, as a collective unit, figure this out once and for all. I, for one, would really like to be sure about this and the only thing I am for sure sure of is that the irregular dimple NR rear derailleur is of 1967-1969 vintage.
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I never hunt for elusive anything.
My Atala Record 101 Professional, 1969 vintage, is cool beyond words, in my opinion. One day, and that day is not all that far off, I hope to have it perfectly fitted with period and model correct components. This has not always been a goal, but now, with N-174 a reality, and room to store N+5 and already owning seven, there is little room to hunt for anything to muddle the N factor. My wife, incidentally, has already pointed out that the math doesn't add up. The point i
So, these days I seek to fully restore bicycles, exercising unchecked analibility when it comes to buying this or that, however there is one exception. I will not rechrome anything. I feel that contradicts my philosophy regarding my vintage bicycle interests. I try to be as green as I possibly can when it comes to restoration and maintenance of my rides.
Lucky for me, the chrome on my newest/old all chrome plated Torpado sports really nice chrome. But I do need an Italian cottered crank, at the very least, to improve the restoration results...
Still hunting!
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my brand new Surly Long Haul trucker .... i'm busy customising it and will only use it on special occasions .... this one will be passed on to my grandchildren
next purchase will be a Pashley Guvnor .... another keeper and I will use this one often for commuting
next purchase will be a Pashley Guvnor .... another keeper and I will use this one often for commuting
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Here is my input on the matter. These are my entries to the debate...
These are my early NR - from the left, irregular pattern "Patent", next irregular pattern 1970 (though heavily drilled the pattern is still visiable). Then third a 1971 one which is how they looked until the last on the right in mid 80-ies - sorry but I do not know what stamp it has - will check inside it when going to where it is the next time. The one on the right has different spring arrangement and back plate more alike a SR. And no stamps at all on top.
1971 compared to mid 80-ies spring arrangement.
Back plate
1969 as cut off line for irregular is therefore not certain or probable. There are almost always a transition period and production was not following the calender year. Another possibillty is mine being rebuilt at some time - very, very early -almost as new, but I am more inclined to believe the transitional theory.
These are my early NR - from the left, irregular pattern "Patent", next irregular pattern 1970 (though heavily drilled the pattern is still visiable). Then third a 1971 one which is how they looked until the last on the right in mid 80-ies - sorry but I do not know what stamp it has - will check inside it when going to where it is the next time. The one on the right has different spring arrangement and back plate more alike a SR. And no stamps at all on top.
1971 compared to mid 80-ies spring arrangement.
Back plate
1969 as cut off line for irregular is therefore not certain or probable. There are almost always a transition period and production was not following the calender year. Another possibillty is mine being rebuilt at some time - very, very early -almost as new, but I am more inclined to believe the transitional theory.
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Very interesting and informative stuff regarding the early NR rear derailleurs. My only comment, at the moment, is that the 70 drilled example is a rebuild. I agree with the transition concept and have witnessed it before, particularly in a late sixties Legnano Gran Premio with an Roma frame and fork, but the seat stays were GP.
Anyway, good stuff regarding the derailleurs. I think I got the correct one for my Atala, although a regular pattern PATENT-69, would also blow my kilt up.
Anyway, good stuff regarding the derailleurs. I think I got the correct one for my Atala, although a regular pattern PATENT-69, would also blow my kilt up.
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I envy the fact that you had the feeling of the hunt being over. I always have a sense of bewilderment and it takes a few days to realize I'm done.
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I wrote this for another hobby but it applies to bikes also I think.
Do not surrender to - what I have named - "grail emptiness". The feeling of meaninglessness and anxiety that can hit you when you have reached one of your goals. The emptiness and sometimes disorientation has its explanation.
Take comfort in the knowledge that collecting is not solely about the possession of things. It is as much, or more and for some, maybe to the full extent - about the quest. The research, the hunt, the journey, meetings, contacts - and the dreaming.
You are not alone in your grail emptiness. I would say we all suffer from it in different ways and forms. I tackle it by finding a new grail to covet and long for. Sometimes I alternate between hobbies to find new inspiration.
I found this some time ago and I think it is well put:
“The main thing is that I discovered that half the fun of owning a watch is, like the fulfillment of all desires, about the pursuit –shopping around is fun and ownership is the beginning of something, but also the end.” Jack Forster, Contributor, Forbes Magazine
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Do not surrender to - what I have named - "grail emptiness". The feeling of meaninglessness and anxiety that can hit you when you have reached one of your goals. The emptiness and sometimes disorientation has its explanation.
Take comfort in the knowledge that collecting is not solely about the possession of things. It is as much, or more and for some, maybe to the full extent - about the quest. The research, the hunt, the journey, meetings, contacts - and the dreaming.
You are not alone in your grail emptiness. I would say we all suffer from it in different ways and forms. I tackle it by finding a new grail to covet and long for. Sometimes I alternate between hobbies to find new inspiration.
I found this some time ago and I think it is well put:
“The main thing is that I discovered that half the fun of owning a watch is, like the fulfillment of all desires, about the pursuit –shopping around is fun and ownership is the beginning of something, but also the end.” Jack Forster, Contributor, Forbes Magazine
Kind regards
JE
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Very cool Atala, Randy. Didn't you have a blue one you were fixing up a while back, with white panels and red lettering+toe straps maybe? I'm probably misremembering that, but I do know this thread was the first time seeing the Atala above, and I like it.
As as for the hunt.........you helped me very recently with a flip flop hub that will bring one of my bikes into its next form (originally a 5-speed with 27" Weinmanns, then a single speed with the same wheels, now soon to be a 700c single speed/fixed - my first fixed gear, should be interesting...)
I also recently grabbed a whole bunch of items for the C&V MTB to get the fit a bit better and to upgrade a fairly worn rear mech. That bike has been in the works for years, nice to have it on the path to completion. For now.
I also recently bought a new part for my 650b all-arounder. A new (old) frameset....... Most of the parts will transfer over for now. Some new parts will need to be hunted down. Eventually it may get a more modern groupset.
The hunt continues...
As as for the hunt.........you helped me very recently with a flip flop hub that will bring one of my bikes into its next form (originally a 5-speed with 27" Weinmanns, then a single speed with the same wheels, now soon to be a 700c single speed/fixed - my first fixed gear, should be interesting...)
I also recently grabbed a whole bunch of items for the C&V MTB to get the fit a bit better and to upgrade a fairly worn rear mech. That bike has been in the works for years, nice to have it on the path to completion. For now.
I also recently bought a new part for my 650b all-arounder. A new (old) frameset....... Most of the parts will transfer over for now. Some new parts will need to be hunted down. Eventually it may get a more modern groupset.
The hunt continues...