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Another Falcon This Time San Remo Equipe (Late 60s).

Old 05-13-16, 04:27 PM
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Another Falcon This Time San Remo Equipe (Late 60s).

Another project nearly complete, a late 60's Falcon San Remo Equipe. The fame is Reynolds 531 butted tubing and forks, chrome headlugs, all chrome forks with Cinelli like sloping crown (I think it is a Davis crown), full Campagnolo Nuovo Record equipment with Cinelli bars and stem (1A nutted), Brooks Professional saddle, yellow label Fiamme rims laced to Campagnolo Record low flange hubs, Regina chain and freewheel, campy pump umbrella, Silca Impero pump, Christophe toe clips with blue Lapize leather straps. Just need to do a little touch up and the bike is finished.

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WOW!

What a beauty.

At first glance it looks just like the Professional.

Can you explain the difference between this and the Professional?

Are brakes "no name?"
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Your bike is Gorgeous!
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
WOW!

What a beauty.

At first glance it looks just like the Professional.

Can you explain the difference between this and the Professional?

Are brakes "no name?"
Hi Juvela,

Thanks. The San Remo Equipe was the top of the Falcon line (the bike does have Campagnolo Nuovo Record brake levers and calipers), however there were other San Remo models which had less Campy equipment. I think you are referring to the Raleigh professional? Yes the Raleigh Pro and Carlton Pro do look similar with the chromed sloping fork crown.
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Originally Posted by Pogliaghi View Post
Hi Juvela,

Thanks. The San Remo Equipe was the top of the Falcon line (the bike does have Campagnolo Nuovo Record brake levers and calipers), however there were other San Remo models which had less Campy equipment. I think you are referring to the Raleigh professional? Yes the Raleigh Pro and Carlton Pro do look similar with the chromed sloping fork crown.
Thanks very much Sante.

Not confusing bicycle with anything else.

Have seen this model referred to by others as the Professional model. Perhaps they were mistaken or perhaps both names were used depending on year. Am not a Falcon expert so either way is just fine.

The term "no-name" when used in conjunction with Campagnolo Record brakes refers to the first year, ~1969, when the caliper arms were smooth and unmarked with the Campagnolo name.
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looks great. love the baby blue. and i love my san remo!
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
Thanks very much Sante.

Not confusing bicycle with anything else.

Have seen this model referred to by others as the Professional model. Perhaps they were mistaken or perhaps both names were used depending on year. Am not a Falcon expert so either way is just fine.

The term "no-name" when used in conjunction with Campagnolo Record brakes refers to the first year, ~1969, when the caliper arms were smooth and unmarked with the Campagnolo name.
I wish they were the "no name" calipers, they are branded. However the rear derailleur is just "Patent" with the braze-on pivot stop. Mike.
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Are those newer decals? The downtube one looks right, but the chrome-look seat tube decal looks like late 70's-80's.

Love the robin-egg blue paint. If I ever repaint mine, I'm going for that color.
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I am not sure if the bike has been re-finished or not. The paint certainly looks original but one might get that impression if it is an older refinish. If it is refinished that might explain the seat tube decal however I would still like to check some older frames as so many of these Falcon San Remo bikes had little detail differences. Mine for instance has unusual top eye treatment and unusual serial number (maybe built for the Falcon Team? :-). The San Remo was built is a separate section of the Falcon factory by their best frame builders with each frame taking around 3 1/2 hours to build which does not sound like a long time but it actually is when you consider that Falcon was a large producer of frames - churning them out. Forgot to say that the pale blue was the team color. Another interesting thing is that by the late 60s the team bikes were still using the Weinmann brakes which might explain why I have the Campagnolo branded later calipers - maybe they were changed out by an owner somewhere along the way?

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Originally Posted by Pogliaghi View Post
Another interesting thing is that by the late 60s the team bikes were still using the Weinmann brakes which might explain why I have the Campagnolo branded later calipers - maybe they were changed out by an owner somewhere along the way?
Yes, certainly. If one looks at the position of the brake pads in the adjustment slot they are right at/near their lower limit which is 56mm. If the frame had been constructed for Campagnolo Record brakes it would have been built with 52mm brake centers front and rear. The Weinmann 610 caliper has a center of slot dimension of 56mm. This is about where the pads appear to be positioned. 56mm is the lower limit of the standard reach Record caliper.
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I had a Falcon from 1971 or 72 with the chrome seat tube decal and the same chrome fork with Cinelli crown.
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I was looking at a 60's ('67 or '68) bike that belongs to a collector (Velo Classics blog) and his has the same seat tube decal as mine so I am assuming mine is correct.
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Perhaps one of my favorite English bicycles and my size also. Great job!
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I guess they changed the decals in the 70's to the white panel design.... mine is c. 72-74:

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I guess they changed the decals in the 70's to the white panel design.... mine is c. 72-74:

That's a beauty!
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Originally Posted by Pogliaghi View Post
I am not sure if the bike has been re-finished or not. The paint certainly looks original but one might get that impression if it is an older refinish. If it is refinished that might explain the seat tube decal however I would still like to check some older frames as so many of these Falcon San Remo bikes had little detail differences. Mine for instance has unusual top eye treatment and unusual serial number (maybe built for the Falcon Team? :-). The San Remo was built is a separate section of the Falcon factory by their best frame builders with each frame taking around 3 1/2 hours to build which does not sound like a long time but it actually is when you consider that Falcon was a large producer of frames - churning them out. Forgot to say that the pale blue was the team color. Another interesting thing is that by the late 60s the team bikes were still using the Weinmann brakes which might explain why I have the Campagnolo branded later calipers - maybe they were changed out by an owner somewhere along the way?
That brake change is very plausible. The Weinmanns were a very common choice on very high end Britbikes, and even some Italians. But when a lot of riders and shops had been able to try them, riders found the Campy brakes to be a lot better. Stronger, more control, less squish, better QR, better centering.
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Yes, certainly. If one looks at the position of the brake pads in the adjustment slot they are right at/near their lower limit which is 56mm. If the frame had been constructed for Campagnolo Record brakes it would have been built with 52mm brake centers front and rear. The Weinmann 610 caliper has a center of slot dimension of 56mm. This is about where the pads appear to be positioned. 56mm is the lower limit of the standard reach Record caliper.
At some point BITD Campy had two caliper lengths. Which one are you assuming?
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Originally Posted by Road Fan View Post
At some point BITD Campy had two caliper lengths. Which one are you assuming?
Machine and its fittings predate launch of short reach with 47mm centres.

At this epoch only standard reach existed with 52mm centres.
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Ok. I have both sizes, but the short ones were circa 1984.
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Ok. I have both sizes, but the short ones were circa 1984.
1984 might be incasso, or not.

short reach launch predated launch of incasso.
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Quick pic of the calipers. They do have the flat QR levers.

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Very nice photography.

Very shiny bicycle!
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