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Old 06-10-16, 09:47 AM
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Genuine Colnago?

Hi all,

I recently purchased a bike (reasonably priced) that I was told was a Colnago Mexico with a non-original fork. However, when I look at these online it seems the lugs are stamped with the trefoil, whereas mine has triangles. Anyone have any idea what this thing is?

Frame - Album on Imgur

Components are a mishmash but seem decent - Campy front derailleur, Shimano rear, Modolo brakes, Gipiemme shifters and chain ring, Miche crank, Cinelli handlebar and stem. Rides nice.

Thanks!
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Old 06-10-16, 09:59 AM
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I'm gonna say no.
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Old 06-10-16, 10:04 AM
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I'm not expert, but I agree with sloar, not a colnago.

The only thing that is similar is the scalloped seat stay treatment, that is a very weak link.

If you want to try and ID the frame take good photos of the drop outs and bottom bracket, look for a serial number and confirm the threading.
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Old 06-10-16, 10:20 AM
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Not a whole lot of pics to judge by but my first impression is a no. Unusual to see three top tube cable braze-ons. Also, I don't recall ever seeing or noting a prominent marked Gipiemme brake mount.
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It actually is sort of a Colnago but also and absolutely not a Colnago... and to attach "Mexico" to it is like putting 911 on a beetle.

A typical bike boom low/at the most middle generic frame with some Colnago-esque features. The fork is actually and probably original to the frame. Google "Colnago Sport" and you will see and read (and weep) a lot about these. Exploitation of a brand name comes in many forms...
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Old 06-10-16, 10:28 AM
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Here is a photo of the bottom bracket:

https://i.imgur.com/jTf0n1n.jpg?2

Seller said his brother raced for Team Ontario on it in the 80's. Is it possible these were slightly different than those produced for public sale?
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Old 06-10-16, 10:32 AM
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I don't see anything that would identify it as a Colnago, but on the other hand there are several indications (lug cutouts, brake bridge) that it is a well-made frame. At least mid-level I would say. Probably has a crappy respray. Repaint it in your favorite color.
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Old 06-10-16, 10:50 AM
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Your frame is NOT a Colnago Super nor Colnago Mexico.

There is apparently some variability with the Colnago Sport models which is a possibility. Many have heart shaped cutouts, but some may have triangle shaped cutouts.


BTW:
Is your left crank cracked near the bottom bracket spindle?
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Looks like a Colnago Sport. Definitely not a Mexico. (Echoing styggno).

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...-finished.html
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Originally Posted by cliffordk View Post
btw, your left crank arm is cracked near the bottom bracket spindle.
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Edt: Also, I stand corrected. I am not expert, appears it's a legit colnago sport.
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Originally Posted by shorelineskylin View Post
Here is a photo of the bottom bracket:

https://i.imgur.com/jTf0n1n.jpg?2

Seller said his brother raced for Team Ontario on it in the 80's. Is it possible these were slightly different than those produced for public sale?
What sellers say must always be weighed and when interested in vintage bikes, cars, boats, etc. previous owner info is one of the more important and difficult parts of collecting. In this case, and even if I do not know what level of racing Team Ontario was involved in - it would surprise me extremely if that frame was used for any serious competition. It is, as I wrote earlier, a generic (outsourced no name company built) frame of at the most mid range quality. It is as such not a bad frame but it is absolutely no competition frame.

edit: When reading thru my own two posts in this thread I realize I come thru as somewhat harsh and not very sympathetic to the OP: rs bike. I appologize for this and will do better onwards. I just get too worked up when I see Colnago Sport: s and in this case I forgot it might be of great value to its owner. Again - I am sorry. Mea culpa - mea maxima culpa.

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@shorelinesskylin Welcome to C&V! You did the right thing to search out what you purchased. This is one of the best forums to get good opinions and often facts about older bikes. Living and learning is great fun even when there are disappointments along the way. We all have had our share.

Keep in mind that a straight forward answer is a like kiss of friendship - found somewhere in Proverbs. There are more friends here then a lot of other forums!
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As with buying anything collectable: buy the bike, not the story. Unless there is provenance provided, treat the story as just that... a story.

That said, while not at the same level as a Colnago Super or Mexico, a Colnago Sport is still a nice bike. And as others have noted, your left crank is cracked and it should be replaced before riding your bike; a catastrophic failure is almost certain at some point and will likely result in a crash.
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Originally Posted by styggno1 View Post
What sellers say must always be weighed and when interested in vintage bikes, cars, boats, etc. previous owner info is one of the more important and difficult parts of collecting. In this case, and even if I do not know what level of racing Team Ontario was involved in - it would surprise me extremely if that frame was used for any serious competition. It is, as I wrote earlier, a generic (outsourced no name company built) frame of at the most mid range quality. It is as such not a bad frame but it is absolutely no competition frame.

edit: When reading thru my own two posts in this thread I realize I come thru as somewhat harsh and not very sympathetic to the OP: rs bike. I appologize for this and will do better onwards. I just get too worked up when I see Colnago Sport: s and in this case I forgot it might be of great value to its owner. Again - I am sorry. Mea culpa - mea maxima culpa.
If the "team" was a provincial squad in Ontario Canada in the 1980s it wouldn't surprise me if they weren't all that well funded and the riders provided their own bikes. Amateur athletes usually don't have a tone of money and this mid quality bike could very well have been raced at that level.
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Definitely a Colnago Sport, I had one and it is almost identical in the details plus I am in Ontario. I believe that there was a pretty big bike shop in Toronto that sold these, back in the day. Mine had a Columbus Aelle sticker on it.
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Thanks everyone for your help. I wanted (and paid for) a daily commuter and it looks like that's what I got. Sure it would have been nice to win the lottery but I can hardly be disappointed.

Originally Posted by styggno1 View Post
When reading thru my own two posts in this thread I realize I come thru as somewhat harsh and not very sympathetic to the OP: rs bike. I appologize for this and will do better onwards. I just get too worked up when I see Colnago Sport: s and in this case I forgot it might be of great value to its owner. Again - I am sorry. Mea culpa - mea maxima culpa.
No offense taken - came here looking for an honest answer and that's what you provided. Thanks again.
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Originally Posted by shorelineskylin View Post
Thanks everyone for your help. I wanted (and paid for) a daily commuter and it looks like that's what I got. Sure it would have been nice to win the lottery but I can hardly be disappointed.

No offense taken - came here looking for an honest answer and that's what you provided. Thanks again.
Being likely a Colnago Sport doesn't mean it is a bad bike. Just not the "top of the line".

I'd go ahead and track down some Colnago Sport decals and put them on it. Then just ride and enjoy the bike.

Oh, and start hunting for that replacement left crank arm.
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Hi

I'm going to hijack this thread rather than start another one as I have been criticized for a few of my thread starts by some individuals here.

Colnago(1970)with campy (1995) velco groupo | road | City of Toronto | Kijiji

Can anyone tell me anything about this bike based on the ad? It's a bike that's been relisted nteen times over the last few years. Wondering if anyone can tell me if it looks "original" (i.e. not an obvious repaint, as well as having decals and paint job that "make sense" for the bike). It's more than I would pay for it, but if it was original I wouldn't mind having a look at it.
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Definitely a repaint, the decals are too low on both the seat tube and down tube and the lettering on the decal on the down tube is too large.

You'd have to have close up photos of the frame to determine whether it is a real Colnago.

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Been repainted obviously, I think a bit later than 1970, '72? For the frame? No upper lug cutouts. Water bottle bosses. No downtube bosses. The image and angle gives concern to me about crash damage, I really would need to see it in person. Weird chrome rear dropouts, sprayed over fork crown.
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Must have run out of money and could only buy half a drop bar.

Better photos would be good. But, assuming no mixed parts or frame mods.
https://www.velo-retro.com/colnagotli...nagotline.html
Colnago features to assist dating 1960s-1970s

Probably 73/74.
  • No shifter bosses.
  • Water Bottle Cage Mount on DT, not on ST.
  • Clover, No script on fork crown.
  • I only see the clover on the lower head tube, but perhaps a bad angle.
  • Above BB cable routing.
  • No script on seatstay endcaps or chainstays.
As always, carefully inspect the cutouts to verify they are clovers, and shaped as expected for a Colnago.

Droupouts should be either Colnago or Campagnolo.
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OK thanks for the replies. They are exactly the type of feedback I was looking for. (it wasn't obvious to me it was a repaint). I'll pass on it.
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It looks like the rear brake cable is routed through the top tube.
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Originally Posted by kroozer View Post
It looks like the rear brake cable is routed through the top tube.
Yep, at one time now vintage Grail bikes were just old and out of date.

So it goes. Things can be corrected, but it changes the value equation a lot.
Reminds me of a '66 Sting-Ray that I saw having the fender flares removed and the original bodywork restored.
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