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Old 06-18-16, 05:05 PM
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610, have I made a mistake...



So it's a 1984 Miyata 610, and I couldn't not take it home. This is a keeper, not a flipper, I plan on replacing my Lotus Eclaire and maybe my Miyata 310 with this. Ok probably not the 310.

Pros:
it fits!
It's a MIYATA SIX TEN!!!
It has Cantis, room for maybe 40mm tire, many (but not every) attachment points
The paint is very good, some scratches but I've bought bikes in worse shape.

Cons:
stuck post and stem, how stuck, not sure yet.
It needs every consumable, tires, cables, ditch that foam grip stuff, etc etc.
Pretty rusty components, I know many will clean up but some may not.

Pertinent:
It's an '84 so that means double not triple butting, and Hi Ten fork and triangle. Not the MOST desirable of the 610's but I'm not to worried about it.

So I probably over payed, how much depends on the post and stem...

I don't know, I'm just not sure about this one.
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610's are great bikes. The front brake set-up can be a challenge, but the rest of the bike is perfect for all-road fun.

I always expect a bike restoration to have a few issues, it comes with the hobby.
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One of my favorite bikes is my 1971 Raleigh Super Course. Its main triangle is plain gauge Reynolds 531, and the rest is hi-ten. It rides great. Don't worry about frame materials as it relates to desirability. See how the bike rides.

Lots of us have components we are willing to let go for cheap, sometimes just shipping cost, so you can get it working again fairly cheaply.
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Once I N-1 (or 2) I'll get more excited, I'm short on bike room and feeling a little owned by my new hobbie. In addition to the bikes in my signature I've just gotten a Rog Pony folder for the clunker one hundred challenge, a Cannondale ST400 frame to build up, this 610 project, and I'm looking for a nice 50 cm vintage tourer for my girlfriend. She rides a Trek 540 but hit some ice over the winter and broke her collar bone. She loves that trek but wants something a little more stable with more beef in the tire width department. I'm in negotiations for a real perfect bike for her, if it finalizes I'll post it up.

I'm just saddled with extras that were free, or good deals but that don't really do it for me. Thinning the herd will be good medicine.

I AM excited to get this 610 up and put some chunky rubber on it. And the color... Sherwood Green. Doesn't get any better than that.
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I just fixed up a 1996 bianchi volpe; it had a stuck stem, a stuck bottom bracket, and stuck pedals. I figure I overpaid by 2 sixpacks on the bike; it's what it took to take the bike apart,
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Did you make a mistake - no.
Did you overpay for it's condition? - possibly. Ad said $225. No racks pictured.

Figure another $100-125 in consumables (tires/tubes/cables/bar tape/brake pads/freewheel/chain), plus another hit of that much if the wheels need to be replaced/rebuilt (610s did not get stainless spokes)

The 310 and 610 are specced pretty much the same, with the obvious difference in tires and longer chainstays of the 610.

84 Miyata catalog spec page

I'm in the same place with my '84 Miyata-built Univega Gran Tourismo. It will also be getting all new consumables, new seat and seatpost, fenders, racks... but I only aid $140 for the bike in VG condition - nothing rusty at all, although the rear derailleur might get replaced with my 'go-to' V-GT Luxe just because of the poor reputation of the Mountech... Oh, and SunTour barcons!!!
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I had an 82 and 85. The changes were quite noticeable over the years and the 85 was definitely a more purpose built tourer. I think my 85 was triple butted and had mangalight forks.
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Update:
I've freed the stem (thank you Snapon dead blow hammer), adjusted the bars, attached the peddles, and put the wheels from my 310 on so I could test ride it. Still working on that saddle, but there is a lot more potential here than I realized. It's funny how a wonky bar angle and a slammed saddle make a bike look like crap. The rust is not so bad.

the derailleurs were frozen too but silicroil took care of that. I'll need a BB though, this ones a bit grindy.
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Excellent news! I was going to add that you don't need to do it today, but I guess you are more of a Why put it off person. Sometimes I think about a new project but sometimes the pieces fall in place right away
Good luck with your new bike!
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I had a couple free hours and figured I'd see "how bad" it was.
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Maybe you overpaid, but really what's $50-75 for something you wanted???

I like my '82 well enough. Not the fastest thing in the world, but tourers aren't supposed to be. Very comfortable to sit in all day. Double butted still rides well and is light enough for my caring. Mine was dirty and somewhat rusted, it cleaned up very well, just wish the paint was in better shape. Ended up steel wooling and acid bathing it then shooting it with an enamel clear coat, so it shines with a nice patina now.

I haven't found a bike that I haven't wanted to replace all consumables on anyways, just so I know where they are at wear-wise, so I wouldn't worry much about that.
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Originally Posted by Chr0m0ly


So it's a 1984 Miyata 610, and I couldn't not take it home. This is a keeper, not a flipper, I plan on replacing my Lotus Eclaire and maybe my Miyata 310 with this. Ok probably not the 310.

Pros:
it fits!
It's a MIYATA SIX TEN!!!
It has Cantis, room for maybe 40mm tire, many (but not every) attachment points
The paint is very good, some scratches but I've bought bikes in worse shape.

Cons:
stuck post and stem, how stuck, not sure yet.
It needs every consumable, tires, cables, ditch that foam grip stuff, etc etc.
Pretty rusty components, I know many will clean up but some may not.

Pertinent:
It's an '84 so that means double not triple butting, and Hi Ten fork and triangle. Not the MOST desirable of the 610's but I'm not to worried about it.

So I probably over payed, how much depends on the post and stem...

I don't know, I'm just not sure about this one.
Well it's yours now, you might as well turn it into something nice. Dollars matter but ending up with something you really love can easily overshadow that, IME.
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Originally Posted by exmechanic89
Well it's yours now, you might as well turn it into something nice. Dollars matter but ending up with something you really love can easily overshadow that, IME.


For what I dropped into mine, I probably could have found a more modern tourer off CL included with racks and bags tuned up and ready to ride. But, mine is MINE, right down to the pink accents on the handlebar tape, it is what I wanted it to be.
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Who around here hasn't overpaid for a bike or two?
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Good luck with that post, really down there good. I did the same thing recently with a 210 and the seatpost has not budged. I have a hard time resisting miyatas even when I should know better.
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Don't obsess about the fork; it's plenty tough:





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Is that top fork bent, or just turned at an odd angle???
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Originally Posted by jefnvk
Is that top fork bent, or just turned at an odd angle???
Most definitely bent. I hope @top506 didn't bend it back into shape, because that bend was severe.
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Originally Posted by noglider
Most definitely bent. I hope @top506 didn't bend it back into shape, because that bend was severe.
I'm curious, now, too.
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I can't find my original post about this bike, including the tale of straightening of the fork, due to the 'improvements' of the latest 'upgrade'. But I would have no qualms riding it, even on a serious back-of-beyond tour.

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You're braver than I, not something I would willfully start a tour with anywhere (finish, or at least get me to a place I could replace, though, more than likely). Make sure any new owner knows about the repair.
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You're braver than I, not something I would willfully start a tour with anywhere (finish, or at least get me to a place I could replace, though, more than likely). Make sure any new owner knows about the repair.
Count on it; I've had a few nibbles, and it's always the first item I mention.

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Who around here hasn't overpaid for a bike or two?
rjhammett, wrk101, dweenk to name a few.
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Not the worst deal I have ever seen! So, chin up, fix it up and ride the daylights out of it...I think everybody has overpaid!
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Boy, if I had a dollar for every $100 I spent stupidly, I'd be RICH!!!

Congratulations! Love the 610!
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