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thumpism 02-22-18 07:23 PM

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Did you hear the one about the Inter 10 that got its seat tube crinkled in a Park stand at the dawn of the MTB age? Some dope had a brainstorm and made it into a mountain bike. Pix from about '83.
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This one isn't mine, but it turned up at the local co-op and I managed to resist the temptation to bring it home.
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3speedslow 02-22-18 10:04 PM

Still working on my Bergmeister. One day...

3speedslow 04-27-19 12:54 PM

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Been an absolute trial getting this frame to a clean enough state I felt it was time to begin a build. Still with a few things to work out and a direction this one will take.

here is a mock up of my 57-62 Bergmeister. The party has started!

3speedslow 04-27-19 01:05 PM

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I’ve managed to find some Nice items which came on other Puch bikes I’ve had in the shed. The gold pin striping on the mudguards will match with the gold lug lining very well.

3speedslow 04-27-19 01:15 PM

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The seat pin has been a head scratch. The clamp ears were bent in from a loose fitted pin. It was sized 25.4. Tried a 25.8 , no good. Something in between that Austrian bikes had to find or use a shim I guess.

The headset is another stick. Seems someone whacked the top nut with hammer(?) and pushed it in. Have to use it cause their size is hard to source. spent much time with a dremel cleaning up the bent side. Good now.

3speedslow 04-27-19 01:20 PM

My big frustration is the desire to get an appropriate 3 speed hub system and build the wheels that way. That would leave the really nice Gran Sport drivetrain and the 50’s Normandy hubs out though.

non-fixie 04-27-19 02:32 PM

Excellent project. :thumb:

3speedslow 04-27-19 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by non-fixie (Post 20903642)
Excellent project. :thumb:

Excellent if it gets finished. Must stick to it.

Another bit. The handle bar stem is an AVA, well made, robust with a great bar retention bolt which actually shaped to the contour of the bar. Convexed bolt which fits into concave divots on top and bottom.

The nice Azureen bar has a clamp size of 25.4 Any other French bar is too small. I have a 40mm St.Etenie one I contemplated using. Oh well.

A success, after months of soaking, the BB drive side cup came out. Stuff was so hard in there I have to chip and scrape the stuff off. Now it’s all clean!

non-fixie 04-27-19 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20903658)
Excellent if it gets finished. Must stick to it.

(...)

Not if. When. There's no hurry. ;)

+1 on those AVA stems being nice.

3speedslow 04-27-19 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by non-fixie (Post 20903691)
Not if. When. There's no hurry. ;)

+1 on those AVA stems being nice.

Thanks Marteen!

Looked through Velobase and did not see the exact model. Didn’t take and chance and drilled the end slots with a relief hole.https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f792a7123.jpeg

Mr. 66 04-27-19 04:10 PM

I think this may be Austrian.https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d115b64f52.jpghttps://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9816e54922.jpg
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3speedslow 04-27-19 04:16 PM

It just might be an Austrian marque. Any frame exploring yet? What colour is the steering tube?

MichaPau 04-27-19 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by Oldairhead (Post 20077598)
Vienna is pretty flat, and there is no need for super stoppers if you are just riding for coffee and Sacher Torte. I loved the bars and wooden hand grips! Modern tires, kickstand and other stuff show it to be a daily rider. A little spray can touch up paint also show that it is not owned by a collector but instead by a dedicated owner. This bike will live on for decades!

Well say that again when you climb the 19th district for a tour to a 'Heurigen' or the 'Höhenstrasse' up the 'Kahlenberg'.
Even all the outer districts go up a bit...
Make the big round 'Amundsenstrasse - Hüttelbergstrasse' ... you won't say again that Vienna is flat....

3speedslow 04-27-19 04:22 PM

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There are(were) still one left license stickers on my frame. I have been able to remove one piece by piece from the back of the seat tube to save the colour bands back there. Opposite on the front seat tube is a tougher one. It is covering the all important Made In Austria gold decal. I have worked the offending decal down so I can start to see the gold with black letters. Might be time for a different approach then the physical method. I am leaving the bike shop decal in place.

Mr. 66 04-27-19 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20903754)
It just might be an Austrian marque. Any frame exploring yet? What colour is the steering tube?

I haven't had the chance to yet.

rustystrings61 04-29-19 08:29 AM

This is the only known photo of my original Puch Royal X. I believe they were only cataloged in 1976 and used the same frame but less costly parts than the more frequently seen Royal Force. I got mine in 1978, and by the time this photo was taken in '79 I had replaced the stock Normandy Luxe Competition/Weinmann 27-in clinchers with Weyless hubs laced to Mavic Montlhery tubular rims.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6373897501.jpg

And this is the current status of the only 23-in white Royal X I have found for sale after more than 20 years of searching. This bike and its build will get its own thread soon ...

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...488f1d1a29.jpg

3speedslow 04-29-19 09:25 AM

That is quite the long quest! Did it come with a fork?

rustystrings61 04-29-19 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20905902)
That is quite the long quest! Did it come with a fork?

It was a long quest - I stupidly sold it in '87 to buy an amp, went to buy it back from that friend to learn it had been stolen within a couple of months. When I started riding again in '97 I started looking for one.

It actually came as a complete bike. And it's the damnedest thing - all of the parts I had replaced on my original bike have been replaced on this one, too - but they're not the parts I put on the bike, i.e., there was a 105 rear derailleur instead of the Crane I had on mine, and some 'orrible cutout saddle instead of the Ideale 90 the dealer put on at my request in '78, and KKT pedals instead of the Lyotard Berthet platforms I had installed (replacing stock MKS) - even though the wheels are 27-in clinchers with Normandy Luxe Competition hubs, they're not the stock wheels like the ones I replaced, these are themselves replacements with Mavic Module E rims. Hell, they could be the stock wheels that someone replaced the rims, but there's this scar on the head badge that rings a memory of a similar scar on my old one. It's not inconceivable that it actually IS my old bike; if it turns out not to be, it surely came out of the same shop.

There just weren't that many of them made, so they're kinda rare. Not high dollar rare, 'cause nobody's ever even heard of them, nobody won races on them, they were the down-market version of the Royal Force, itself a down-market version of the Vent Noir, which was itself a down-market shadow of the Ultimas and Super Leichts just as Puchs (at least in the U.S.) were the also-rans behind the Austro-Daimlers.

But now that I have this one, knowing what I know now about bikes, I am struck by how neatly it's put together, how durable the chrome has proven. I'm really eager to get this bike up and running again, and for now I'll settle for a good cleaning, touch-up and build and adjust with period-correct parts. Maybe later I'll have it repainted professionally, but the artwork could be challenging because currently I can't find repro decals. If anyone has Greg's ear at Cyclomondo, you could do the same decals with "Force" and "X" and get both bike patterns ups, covering the '76 Xs and the '76-77 Forces. In other words, all five or so of us who might want them ...

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...43c117ad19.jpg

samkl 04-29-19 11:45 AM

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Recently acquired. Unfortunately I’ll be replacing this gorgeous DA crankset because a 53-42 doesn’t make sense on a brevet bike. :(

rustystrings61 04-29-19 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by samkl (Post 20906174)
Recently acquired. Unfortunately I’ll be replacing this gorgeous DA crankset because a 53-42 doesn’t make sense on a brevet bike. :(

I've been pondering the same thing with my Puch, which also has 1st gen DA cranks, and considering getting a longer spindle and running a triplizer ring to get 50/46/28 half-step + granny.

And that is a beautiful Vent Noir!

samkl 04-29-19 01:33 PM

Thanks. And interesting idea. I’d love to keep the crank with those drilled chainrings. The problem I didn’t consider when I bought this beaut is that changing the gearing on a bike of this era is a real challenge. Changing one part means changing pretty much everything.

I need new wheels anyway, so I figure I might as well upgrade to 9 speed and spread the dropouts. Which means a new RD to handle the new cogs.

I can put on a sugino compact crankset and keep the FD. But if I put on a triple or triplizer, I’ll need a new front and rear derailleur to handle the extra capacity.

It pains me a little (for reasons beyond financial), but bikes are meant to be ridden, and if I can improve the gearing then this would be a really ridable, useful bike for a long time.

Oy. The tribulations of being a C&V enthusiast!


Originally Posted by rustystrings61 (Post 20906201)
I've been pondering the same thing with my Puch, which also has 1st gen DA cranks, and considering getting a longer spindle and running a triplizer ring to get 50/46/28 half-step + granny.

And that is a beautiful Vent Noir!


rustystrings61 05-20-19 09:34 AM

Here's the Royal X this weekend, reassembled about as close to stock as it's likely to get - unless I get a hornet in my helmet and decide to modify a SunTour Cyclone short cage to take a VXs cage to manage the 28T cog ... and I'm sure there's some cotton bar tape in this bike's near future. I rode it this weekend, including my first decently long ride all year, and I was shocked at how comfortable and familiar it is after all these years. The real surprise, though, is how well those wheels with compromised Normandy Luxe Comp hubs roll. About the fifth or sixth time I passed my riding buddy on a descent, I asked, "Now, why exactly did I stop using 27 in tires at 70 psi?" Love the Paselas! I was also continuously pleased with how well everything on this bike works, especially the Cyclone front derailleur but even the old 600 EX rear unit. By the end of Sunday evening's ride, the noisy front brake was audibly calmer and closer to normal. There are no words for how happy I am with this bike. It needs its own thread soon.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e7c6f01d61.jpg
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3speedslow 05-20-19 09:46 AM

Awesome! I know your summer riding will be spent on this one.

BFisher 05-20-19 10:10 AM

[MENTION=342124]rustystrings61[/MENTION],

That is such a great story, and it's incredible how good the bike still looks after all those years!

Best of luck with it. :thumb:

alexihnen 09-19-19 04:06 PM

Puch Ultima SL smoked chrome
 
I finally photographed my Puch Ultima SL in smoked chrome with full campy super record. It’s a real time capsule with virtually no miles on it.

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juvela 01-13-20 09:52 AM

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In the course of this day's web wander chanced upon another Dusika example. Thought to glue it in since the marque seems to be so scarce.

Not my cycle.

Owner dates machine simply as "1950's."

Model called "Milano."


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Ákos? 1950s Dusika Milano | Old Ten Speed Gallery

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previous Dusika post in this thread -

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...a#post19022664

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Chuckk 01-13-20 04:45 PM

I've got three A-D's, all identified as '83 models, but I don't know if that was a bumper year or just the standard call.
Smoke chrome SLE bought as a frame and fork and built up with a Victory group.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...dd0092e98b.jpg
Coffee Inter-10 out for big trash pickup with big dents and no wheels.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8e4ddad7aa.jpg
Smoke chrome Superleicht from the son-in-law of the original owner
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...80527a765a.jpg

thumpism 01-13-20 11:00 PM

That looks like a Puch to me; the fluted seat stays and the details of the front end all look like bikes sold by Sears and built by Puch. While yours has internal cable routing and Puch did that on some models, theirs used ovalized holes. Yours looks like a hand-rolled attempt.
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/587/2...e254dc22_c.jpg

Senrab62 12-16-20 11:24 AM

Puch Marco Polo
 
I believe this to be a 1977 Puch Marco Polo (serial number 5792090 for future reference/documentation) which I picked up recently. Rides a treat! Suntour cyclone mechs with power shifters. Weinmann 610 center pull calipers and levers. SR crankset and large flange Normandy hubs. Came with pictured saddle/post combo as well as original. Overall great rider, rides lighter than it is. No name, but large 1 3/8" tires make this a smooth ride. Eventually will add longer stem, and koolstop pads. Would love lighter semi slick tires and fenders, bit that will have to wait. Too many other projects taking up resources right now!

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...02ca587cd8.jpg
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Yeah, I know. Valve stem and tire label don't lineup! This is how I received it and couldn't wait to ride!

Cycle Tourist 12-16-20 01:24 PM

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Here are two Puch made bikes sold by Sears. The blue was a Free Spirit, (don't let the Panasonic decal throw you), and the white one an earlier Sears version. I know they're very low end bikes and are significantly changed but they still qualify and are very serviceable commuter bikes.


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