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RiddleOfSteel 07-16-17 11:04 AM

In the middle of a four bike parts swap whirlwind as an almost C&V steel Marinoni came into my possession (good sized top tube dent on the side of the tube, co-op didn't want to sell it for visual and liability reasons, it was headed for recycle(!), they asked if I wanted it) and that provided enough 'pull' to pull the Dura-Ace bits and Vuelta wheels off my Super Le Tour and put them on the Marinoni for evaluation. Well, surprise, I'm keeping it!

The Super Le Tour is to become truly super in capability with a triple crankset and taller rear gearing thanks to a 3x10 Campy system from my Ross winter/rain bike. The SLT still keeps its carbon crankset, but I was able to space out the drive side BB by 2mm and still use a double while adding back on the 30T small ring. Normally a triple Octalink BB has a 118.5mm spindle width as opposed to the double's 109.5mm, but I don't like the extra Q-factor (I've tried it before) and thankfully the experimenting with spacers proved successful.

The Ross will get a full brace of 6400 Tricolor components (hanging on an old Trek 560) including a standard reach caliper set, which I didn't know they made! Either that or some spare 7400 bits that are not as pristine as the 6400 pieces.

Some pics of the Marinoni:

Used old and ruined innertubes to secure fork to frame and then to 'belt' it to me--an extra security measure on top of slinging the frame/fork over my shoulder messenger bag style as I rode home eight miles Tuesday night.

https://scontent.fsnc1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...af&oe=5A110604

Grubby and needing touch up paint, in addition to that tragic dent.

https://scontent.fsnc1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...22&oe=59C9E3A2

From two axles in the grave to now being fully rescued. Fantastic bike!

https://scontent.fsnc1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...27&oe=59C45084

Velocivixen 07-16-17 07:31 PM

Finishing up the 1984 Trek 420 Mixte - only year Trek made a mixte frame (except very recently). The 420 was a "weekend" tourer, and has a very smooth ride. I ended up adding a Nitto Dirt Drop stem, Soma Portola bars, SunTour bar cons, SunTour Cyclone II GT rear & Cyclone II front dereialleurs, new chain, consumables. Rear rim was warped, so kept the Helicomatic hub and freewheel and donated the rest. Removed the Simplex derailleurs it had also.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4294/...20128f38_z.jpgSelle Royale "Tourist " Ladies saddle in brown. by velocivixen, on Flickrhttps://farm5.staticflickr.com/4314/...1fdb9c10_z.jpgUntitled by velocivixen, on Flickr
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4314/...96cb9118_z.jpgUsed SunTour Cyclone II GT RD. The Cyclone II's were included on the next step up from this touring bike - the 520. by velocivixen, on Flickr
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4309/...44825f67_z.jpgFlickstand by Rhode Gear circa 1980's. by velocivixen, on Flickr
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4314/...631d98fc_z.jpgHalf step gearing with 50/45/28 & SunTour Perfect 5-speed freewheel. by velocivixen, on Flickr
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4321/...9fc68e7d_z.jpgSoma Portola & Nitto Dirt Drops, with SunTour bar cons. by velocivixen, on Flickrhttps://farm5.staticflickr.com/4330/...68cda083_z.jpg1984 Trek 420 mixte in metallic "Mariner Blue" DuPont Imron paint. by velocivixen, on Flickr

I bought some Fizik Microtex bar tape in "Honey" (they sell the Brooks colors of Fizik in the UK). Honey doesn't match the dark cocoa saddle but oh well. Didn't want to spend a ton. Rides very nicely. Now I've gotta learn half step gearing.

non-fixie 09-12-17 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel (Post 19662136)
Beautiful bike! Such a clean and lovely look. Great frame proportions, too. And of course, it's the same size as the bikes I ride, and that just makes it better!


Originally Posted by bwilli88 (Post 19662189)
That is beautiful, All that a bike needs and nothing more. Simplicity.

Thank you for the kind words. I'm afraid I sacrificed some of that simplicity, and instead of just adding a couple of toe clips and bar tape I jazzed it up a bit:

https://myalbum.com/photo/hoh3lpzMsFKq/1k0.jpg

3speedslow 09-12-17 12:54 PM

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Big rains today. Changed the brown hoods on my 84 Super Course to black. Next up was a wheel building session with Araya rims to early 70's Shimano HF hubs. Still smooth! Have to go find a true stand and dish tool.

non-fixie 09-12-17 01:18 PM

Nice wheels, @3speedslow! I have a few wheel sets with those hubs. They look good and seem to hold up quite well.

WRT truing: I recently bought this Minoura, and re-rimmed a couple of wheels with it. And although I have no previous experiences to compare it with - other than truing wheels on the bike - I liked it.

jpaschall 09-12-17 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by non-fixie (Post 19857034)
Nice wheels, @3speedslow! I have a few wheel sets with those hubs. They look good and seem to hold up quite well.

WRT truing: I recently bought this Minoura, and re-rimmed a couple of wheels with it. And although I have no previous experiences to compare it with - other that truing wheels on the bike - I liked it.

Is the Minoura easily bolted to a workbench? Looking at getting a truing stand and those reviews do look positive for the price point.

That blue bike is beautiful, is there a thread dedicated to it?

non-fixie 09-12-17 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by jpaschall (Post 19857099)
Is the Minoura easily bolted to a workbench? Looking at getting a truing stand and those reviews do look positive for the price point.

There's a hole that's probably meant for doing just that. I've used it free-standing, and that worked surprisingly well.

https://myalbum.com/photo/7KAnpWT51HWy/540.jpg


That blue bike is beautiful, is there a thread dedicated to it?
I'm afraid this is it. It's a bit of a parts bin special that I'm playing around with, as part of my permanent quest for The Perfect Cheap Bike.

SJX426 09-12-17 02:10 PM

I have an earlier version of that truing stand. To flexible. Now looking for a better one.

I noticed that one brake lever was lower than the other on my Pinarello. It may have slipped either for use or when I hit the car door two weeks ago, don't know. To move the lever, I decided to remove the HB wrap. It came off in pieces! I had to use a razor to remove what wouldn't come off. Now I have to do the other side too.

My thinking is that now is the time to try out those Campy Ergo's and a 10mm shorter stem. But first, I want to check if my Tom Ritchey rear hub can have the free hub replaced with a Campy free hub. I have a 10 speed cassette, with the right spacers.....

Took delivery of a pair of new Look Keo Classics. Really reasonable price on sale and now I don't have to move the pedals! They were a tight fit in the Campy SR cranks but I used anti-seize on the threads prior to installation, the second time!

Hardrock23 09-13-17 02:45 AM

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I'm putting these Tektro dual pivots on, along with the new braided silver jagwire housing that Doc gave me a bit ago. I've been meaning to do this for at least a month now. Didn't get the brakes right away and just haven't had the motivation, really. I found the Tektros on Ebay, listed as used. They look brand new, not a spot on em! Got em for a pretty decent price too.

Oh and I gotta put in new shift cables too...

DQRider 09-13-17 04:25 AM

I'm getting this beauty ready for the ABCE, or "All British Cycling Event":

https://i.imgur.com/E5AeOn5.png

This image was taken early yesterday morning, down by the Mississippi, while I was being eaten alive by mosquitoes.

So far I've had to tighten the bottom bracket I rebuilt last year - everything is all bedded-in now, I think - and of course the endless rod-brake adjustments continue. Otherwise just a wipedown with Marvel Mystery Oil and she's ready to go. :)

tiredhands 09-13-17 11:45 AM

As I work for a state organization, I got a fair bit of unexpected time off thanks to Irma and made some headway into an overhaul of the Schwinn High Sierra I rode in this year's Klunker 100. As expected, the bottom bracket was completely rusted out, but everything else seems to be in decent shape. Except for the left crank - I'm pretty happy that it didn't fail on me during the 100, but upset that the crankset will no longer be OEM.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4371/...2d27c89a_c.jpghttps://farm5.staticflickr.com/4424/...f2ab47f5_c.jpg

Soylent 09-13-17 12:20 PM

Recently picked this Designer 84 in SLX. I will be building it with 1984+ SR with the scripted brake calipers and cinelli crit bars.
http://www.bikeforums.net/picture.ph...ctureid=528808

I also found these rims that I bought 2-3 years ago laying in my office and think I will use them for this build.
http://www.bikeforums.net/picture.ph...ctureid=528814

DiegoFrogs 09-13-17 12:24 PM

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I put a set of NOS Suntour AG Tech derailleurs on this ~1983 Ross MTB. The rear should be the OEM part, but the front is slightly older. It's a lot of fun now!

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non-fixie 09-13-17 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by SJX426 (Post 19857190)
I have an earlier version of that truing stand. To flexible. Now looking for a better one.(...)

It does feel a little flimsy, and for a professional bike shop I'd fork out for a heavier one, but the price difference is huge, and for me, the amateur, I have to agree with Rainer: it's good enough.

noglider 09-13-17 03:19 PM

My shifting was like crap on my Raleigh. It's a mishmosh of components: 3x10 drivetrain: 105 brifters, Ultegra front derailleur, Sora rear derailleur. I now have it working better than ever. But I have to say, I don't like Shimano shifting as much as Campagnolo Veloce. With Campy, all I have to do is push the shifter until it clicks. If I do only that with Shimano, it might undershift. Then I have to push the lever until almost clicking or click it a second time which causes and overshift, and then I have to click back down again. I've learned a new technique which is to shift past the click and hold it and push slowly until I feel the shift.

I thought I could make this unnecessary by tightening the barrel adjuster, but that makes the upshifts (smaller cog) hesitant. So unless there's a trick I'm missing, shifting with Shimano is just slower than with Campagnolo.

noglider 09-13-17 03:20 PM

I'm also trying a third bar/stem combination on my Lemond. I'm reusing the leather handlebar tape. It's the only reusable type I know of. This time, I'm using a threadless adapter and a threadless stem. It will be easier to get some rise from the stem this way.

non-fixie 09-13-17 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 19859669)
I'm reusing the leather handlebar tape. It's the only reusable type I know of.

I've recently had my first encounter with this Benotto tape, and I'm sure that could be reused. Even more so than leather. But more importantly: I also liked riding with it a lot better than I expected I would.

https://myalbum.com/photo/IAfR9vRNliwH/1k0.jpg

noglider 09-13-17 03:46 PM

I used Benotto tape extensively in the 80s. It can't be reused because it gets stretched into a new shape which it won't want to leave.

CoRide59 09-13-17 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 19859666)
My shifting was like crap on my Raleigh. It's a mishmosh of components: 3x10 drivetrain: 105 brifters, Ultegra front derailleur, Sora rear derailleur. I now have it working better than ever. But I have to say, I don't like Shimano shifting as much as Campagnolo Veloce. With Campy, all I have to do is push the shifter until it clicks. If I do only that with Shimano, it might undershift. Then I have to push the lever until almost clicking or click it a second time which causes and overshift, and then I have to click back down again. I've learned a new technique which is to shift past the click and hold it and push slowly until I feel the shift.

I thought I could make this unnecessary by tightening the barrel adjuster, but that makes the upshifts (smaller cog) hesitant. So unless there's a trick I'm missing, shifting with Shimano is just slower than with Campagnolo.

My understanding is that your Sora/105 combination should work fine, but your symptoms sure sound like an incompatibility issue. I've not played around with the newer Shimano indexing, but if it's not quick and sharp I'd expect something is wrong. That's certainly not how their older stuff works, nor is it their reputation.

non-fixie 09-13-17 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 19859731)
I used Benotto tape extensively in the 80s. It can't be reused because it gets stretched into a new shape which it won't want to leave.

Hmmm. Are there different types of Benotto tape? I do remember removing cello tape-like stuff from bikes, years ago, that was quite hard and behaved exactly like you describe, but this Benotto-branded tape turned out to be quite rubbery and flexible.

DQRider 09-13-17 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 19859666)
My shifting was like crap on my Raleigh. It's a mishmosh of components: 3x10 drivetrain: 105 brifters, Ultegra front derailleur, Sora rear derailleur. I now have it working better than ever. But I have to say, I don't like Shimano shifting as much as Campagnolo Veloce. With Campy, all I have to do is push the shifter until it clicks. If I do only that with Shimano, it might undershift. Then I have to push the lever until almost clicking or click it a second time which causes and overshift, and then I have to click back down again. I've learned a new technique which is to shift past the click and hold it and push slowly until I feel the shift.

I thought I could make this unnecessary by tightening the barrel adjuster, but that makes the upshifts (smaller cog) hesitant. So unless there's a trick I'm missing, shifting with Shimano is just slower than with Campagnolo.

I've run into this exact issue with a simple 1x6 setup on an old 105 RD - and it is exactly as you describe. I thought it might be the mismatch between the mountain-style indexed thumb-shifter and the road derailleur, but now I'm not so sure.

But the barrel adjuster certainly doesn't fix it; you can have either crisp upshifts or crisp downshifts, but you can't have both. :rolleyes:

Makes me want to try Campy on one of my builds... but won't that be the start of an expensive addiction? Even worse, will it make me hate all my Shimano/Suntour setups?







canklecat 09-13-17 04:18 PM

Gotta overhaul my '89 Centurion Ironman. I should have done it back in June when I first bought the bike, but I've enjoyed riding it so much I kept procrastinating. Per app data, I've ridden it about 1,000 miles since getting it the second week of June.

I noticed the rear wheel ticking and realized the bearings were loose enough to tick together. The hub feels smooth but it must not have enough grease. I ordered a freewheel remover and bearings from Amazon last week but got a notice that the entire shipment was lost. So I need to reorder.

Then the bottom bracket began knocking yesterday during sprints and climbs. So I really need to overhaul everything, hubs, BB and headset.

And there's one chainring bolt that keeps loosening, the one partially blocked by the crank so I can't reach the lock ring. So I need to disassemble the whole thing to redo it with Loctite.

While I'm at it I suppose it'd be a good time to replace the 42 tooth small chainring. I'm not a strong climber and really need a 39 or 40 there, along with a freewheel with 25 or 28 tooth large cog. I've hesitated to replace these because I needed to work on my conditioning first before blaming the equipment. But to be realistic I'd enjoy the bike more on longer, hilly routes with something closer to my Univega's gearing.

non-fixie 09-13-17 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 19859754)
I thought it might be the mismatch between the mountain-style indexed thumb-shifter and the road derailleur

There is. I did get a Sora brifter to work with a Deore FD, but only just. And that was before I was told that the difference in cable pull should have prevented that from working at all.

3speedslow 09-13-17 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by non-fixie (Post 19859716)
I've recently had my first encounter with this Benotto tape, and I'm sure that could be reused. Even more so than leather. But more importantly: I also liked riding with it a lot better than I expected I would.

https://myalbum.com/photo/IAfR9vRNliwH/1k0.jpg

That's just beautiful! Nice even wraps and caps on the end. Do they have a problem staying on?

jimmuller 09-14-17 04:26 AM

Been wrenching the Tommasini's crank. Had ridden it in a while, got partway to work on it two days ago and the DS crank arm started to loosen. Stopped at a hardware store, bought an 8mm hex wrench, tightened it up, continued on my way.


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