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Old 07-02-16, 05:59 PM
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Campy toe clip straps

To complete a restoration of my 1984 Colnago, I would like to purchase Campy toe clip straps that would be 1984 appropriate. The toe clips on the Campy pedals I have came without the straps. There are several to be found on eBay, all of which are rather pricey, but what to buy? Are the leather ones I see 1984 appropriate or do I want the non- leather straps? What about the " buttons"? Do I want straps that include the buttons? By the way, I have no clue as to the purpose of the buttons? A little help here please.
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The buttons are added to give the user something to tug on when cinching down the straps. They can be found separately on Ebay, though you may find something like the Cinellis that come with buttons. Personally, I think the Cinelli straps are overpriced (I've used both Cinellis and Bindas and the Cinellis stretched quite a bit sooner). I'd suggest leather vice nylon. What is a reasonable price to you?

Remember, on some vintage consumables (straps and to a lesser extent clips fall into this category), the prices are what they are. You can still find new straps, but they will cost you $20 or so. It is what it is.

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Binda's are the classic and more robust. Thickness makes a difference.

Another consideration is contacting John at Velostuf (Minn. MN). Offers a really pretty looking Colnago labeled straps in leather, various colors. The clasp are labeled as well. I have no idea where manufactured. Recently acquired them but have yet to use.

Good luck.
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Originally Posted by tsappenfield View Post
The toe clips on the Campy pedals I have came without the straps. There are several to be found on eBay, all of which are rather pricey, but what to buy? Are the leather ones I see 1984 appropriate or do I want the non- leather straps? What about the " buttons"? Do I want straps that include the buttons? By the way, I have no clue as to the purpose of the buttons? A little help here please.
The first Campagnolo straps I saw were the woven nylon straps that came with Triomphe and Victory pedals. AFAIK, the leather straps came later. The buttons just make it easier to grab and pull the strap; this is particularly appreciated with a fixed gear, as you only get one opportunity each pedal revolution to snug down your straps.
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Vintage leather parts like straps don't last hold up will after 30-40 years, so I wouldn't consider paying the silly Nos prices for a set on ebay. I would say just order get a nicer set of new leather straps you can get a nice set for $10-30. The Christophe black leather straps like were used on most nicer 80's road bike pedal are $10.00 from Velomine.

https://www.velomine.com/index.php?ma...oducts_id=1668

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Old 07-02-16, 07:37 PM
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+1 on Binda straps. They are totally cool and era. The downside is they are expensive. Second would be Christophe with Avocet as a third choice.
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Old 07-02-16, 08:01 PM
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'84 is too early for Canpagnolo straps, not by much though.
Binda, or Colnago branded would be the ticket.
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Old 07-02-16, 10:31 PM
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Yeah, 1984 would have been Binda or Christophe leather, maybe Avocet. Nylon straps were just coming out and were not in common use. I always thought the non laminated Binda were the best straps. The laminated ones didn't hold as well.

At any rate Binda were the best, but Christophe were fine. I agree that 30+ year old leather is probably shot. So +1 on the Zefal/Christophe.
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Old 07-02-16, 10:34 PM
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As a total aside, Christophe toe clips were the best, just the regular chrome steel ones. Nearly everyone used them. All the others by various vendors tended to break, and they placed the strap to far forward to grab your foot correctly.
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I'm not sure I agree with the 30 year old leather being shot, idea. I have a couple of sets of vintage Binda straps and the leather is just fine.

I'll also disagree slightly with the assessment of Salmandrine's above. Christophe clips were good indeed. I have them on one of my French bikes, and love them. But I never experienced any problem with Campy toe clips, in durability or where the strap was located. The chromed steel ones are my favorite. But I also like the aluminum version.

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Old 07-03-16, 06:54 AM
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Not to derail this thread, excuse' Tsappensfield... but does anyone know anything about the
newly" available Binda straps with embossed logos, such as the Colnago embossed straps?
I see quite a few of them on ebay, etc. And wonder...is someone making Binda straps, and buckles, again?
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Old 07-03-16, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by rootboy View Post
Not to derail this thread, excuse' Tsappensfield... but does anyone know anything about the
newly" available Binda straps with embossed logos, such as the Colnago embossed straps?
I see quite a few of them on ebay, etc. And wonder...is someone making Binda straps, and buckles, again?
Obviously someone is, but they don't look anything like the original Binda straps. They might be good, but $100 seems a little silly for a toe strap IMO. Also they would not look period correct if that matters the OP.Original Binda were expensive but not ridiculously priced.

I'm not sure I agree with the 30 year old leather being shot, idea. I have a couple of sets of vintage Binda straps and the leather is just fine.
I guess that's fair. The 30+ year old Binda straps on my Masi are actually OK also. Even so I don't think I'd take a chance at the current silly ebay prices for vintage Bindas. AFA the clips, I probably should have said I prefer Christophe rather than speak in absolutes. Everyone's feet are different. That being so MKS/ALE/campy clips place the strap differently around the ball of your foot than Christophe. It is something to be aware of.

Honestly if you are not riding with vintage slotted cleat shoes, it probably doesn't make much difference.
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This is interesting, Salamandine. But I'm interested in this sort of minutiae. You and I must be living in alternate universes. heh.

I just took a close look , and measured my old Christophe clips and Campy Record clips, and they are nearly identical as far as dimension and reach goes. Maybe that's why I'm comfortable in either. Everyone has different feet, of course. I'm using the old logo, early 70's Christophe clips. Not sure if they changed them any as time went on.

How do you find the Christophe clips place the strap differently? Further up the instep? Lower down? Just curious.

And, as far as the new Binda straps go, I'm really curious. I have a pair, Didn't pay anything close to a hunnert bucks for them though. I haven't looked at them recently, but I think the leather is embossed with the old, oval Cinelli logo. That is easy enough to do. But it's the buckles that intrigue me. To me, they look pretty much exactly like the buckles on my vintage 1970s sets. That, is not easy to do. Requiring metal forming, stamping the logo. Chrome or nickel plating, etc.
I'm wondering if someone bought or obtained the Binda name, and started manufacturing the buckles and straps again. I've never seen anything about it mentioned. The leather on them looks different than on the originals, of course.

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Old 07-03-16, 11:13 AM
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It may be minutiae but at the time it mattered quite a lot, at least if you were a racer. C&V bikes were not C&V yet , it just what we had to ride. When you're riding a few hours a day including lots of climbing, how well your toe strap holds your foot in is very important.

I put a new set of Zefal Christophe clips on my px10 not long ago and the seem to be exactly the same as the old ones. That's good.

I definitely remember MKS and ALE/Avocet clips as holding the strap about 5mm forward of where Christophes did. I used those brands myself at various times. Campy clips I admit I less clearly remember from other peoples bikes (I was a mechanic). Now that I strain my brain a bit, I think some were like ALE, but others were different. I kind of think that campy didn't actually make them, but contracted them out to various vendors, and there were a few variations over the years. I'm not sure though.
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Originally Posted by zukahn1 View Post
Vintage leather parts like straps don't last hold up will after 30-40 years, so I wouldn't consider paying the silly Nos prices for a set on ebay.
If you get them and want to keep as part of the complete bike I would probably not ride regular as mentioned above. I have broke some on the trail and keep a spare on me and those won't be cheap or easy to find.


There are two types of buttons, some just go over the end others slide on the strap. As DD mentioned they act as a pull and also as a stop (well, and as a place to put a logo) so the strap does not come all the way out when adjusting.

Cinelii used Binda with the Cinelli name and buttons with the Logo since at least 80' that I know of, Guerciotti used the Campy nylon ones beginning in 84', or so it appears. I have an 85' Victory bike that looks exactly like the 84' catalog straps and they are Campy buttons. I also have Scapin leather straps with a Scapin button and stamped Scapin. So they were common for manufacturers in the 80's. Looking at that way, I think a nice Colnago would have leather Binda's probably stamped Colnago, and possibly buttons as Colnago's have logos everywhere. If you want to get that serious about it. :-)

I would also think many removed the buttons and they were not really necessary, to me they are just a cool little addition that adds to the bike.
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My 83 Super came with Bindas
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Originally Posted by Salamandrine View Post
It may be minutiae but at the time it mattered quite a lot, at least if you were a racer. C&V bikes were not C&V yet , it just what we had to ride. When you're riding a few hours a day including lots of climbing, how well your toe strap holds your foot in is very important.
Ha! I think maybe I've just been one-upped.

..I remember the minutiae was just as important back then as it is now....also.
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Originally Posted by Moe Zhoost View Post
My 83 Super came with Bindas
+100 my '77 still has the originals.
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Originally Posted by rootboy View Post
I'm not sure I agree with the 30 year old leather being shot, idea. I have a couple of sets of vintage Binda straps and the leather is just fine.

I'll also disagree slightly with the assessment of Salmandrine's above. Christophe clips were good indeed. I have them on one of my French bikes, and love them. But I never experienced any problem with Campy toe clips, in durability or where the strap was located. The chromed steel ones are my favorite. But I also like the aluminum version.
I've had the same experience. I still have one or two pairs of NOS Bindas. They're supple and their aroma is wooooooonderful! And while I do like some lightweight alloy clips, I've broken two sets of Campy alloys over the years. Both broke at the mounting plate. No problem with steel clips, tho.

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I like the Stainless steel Buckles on Campag straps ..
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I just looked at the 30+ year old Bindas on my Masi, and they seem to be perfectly fine, and it's not like they've been in a climate controlled environment. Binda must have used a high quality well tanned leather. So I retract my initial opinion. Buy away, that is if you are willing to pay $100 for what once cost $8 or 10... Perhaps worth it for period correctness if that is the goal.

Alloy clips were known to break unexpectedly. They would always break eventually if you were riding everyday and doing a lot of mileage.
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