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Old 07-04-16, 04:17 AM
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Geliano 115 S with C-record or Mavic...

When I went to Europeiska Cykelimporten (ECI) in the end of the 80ies Thordan stood behind the counter. He had just got some frames home from Geliano. I, of course, thought them being Italian. The name was to blame. It sounded really Italian. Thord soon took me out of that misunderstanding – telling me they were French and that they were really special. The prices put them far beyond my reach at that time. I was also very much into “less is more” and thought their paint jobs were tasteless.

Now many years later I still like clean and tasteful design but have with time come to realize that life can be more fulfilling if allowing myself to also like the more flamboyant sides of design. Sometimes it can be “less is a bore”.

I have been interested in researching the history behind Geliano for quite some time. The touring bike I have since the early 80ies is a Meral. There is a close connection between Meral, Geliano and CYFAC. The connection is Francis Quillon. He was a racer turned framebuilder for the big names of the time. Framefit and aero is his thing. Here is some info on him:
History. ? Cyfac
https://www.classicrendezvous.com/France ... /Meral.htm

I first understood the connection between Meral and Geliano when going to ECI and finding a Geliano tourer with many and special details being the same as on my Meral. This was before the internet. Too many to be a coincidence. They were clearly constructed and built by the same man/team. The connection to CYFAC came with the net and all info that suddenly was available.

I have tried to find a Geliano for some time. Seen some on the bay but none in my size, the condition or otherwise to my liking. Here in Sweden I knew of one that could be for sale. This one:
Geliano racing bicycle

But - a bike with a straight front fork has no chance of getting under my roof. Ever. Of that I am (almost – as per above I am not totally a stranger of change of mind – enough time passing) certain.

A while ago this one surfaced on a local buy&sell.
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The seller was a really nice guy but there had been a lot of interest and he had guys coming over as we spoke. Some time passed and one day he phoned me up and offered me the bike to the price he had in the ad (the equivalent of approximately 600 USD). Went over to his place. Bought it.

The bike is in splendid condition. It had been his late father’s and he had used it for six of our Swedish annual 300km “Vätternrundan” and the training leading up to them. The seller himself had used it for a short while as a commuter but did not find it fitting his needs.
With the bike came five wheels – one pair with Mavic 550RD hubs, one pair with Dura Ace hubs and a single wheel with a Campagnolo Record hub, a couple NOS tubular tires in their original wrapping, some NOS Campag brake blocks, a period correct Scott tempo/triathlon handlebar with Campag brakehandles and some other small bits and pieces.

The original receipt, dated april 1990, specifying the model as 115 S and the frame number (putting it at 1988-9 as far as my investigations has reached so far), equipment as C-record and lastly also a note from the bikes first service at ECI. The price was extreme for its time but the exact amount I do not remember right now.

My own pic from when I got it home:



C-record but for the brakes and hubs. Knowing a little about Thord I presume the Mavic hubs came with the bike originally. The brakes might be “cobalto”. There are some clues that support this and some against. The brake arms are of the script variety and the infill is blue. Both the nuts with the blue cobalto stone are missing – I have never lost a brake nut during my years of biking so they have probably been stolen at some time. Why steal the nuts if they were not special? The blue stones would also go with the overall blue theme of the bike. Against cobalto speaks – the barrel adjuster rubber rings are black and the brake handles are normal Super Record. Difficult to know what exactly and the seller had no idea. I do have cobalto nuts in a drawer though…

The frame is in my size and that is a criterion that (normally) has to be filled for a frame/bike to get into my stable. I really enjoyed getting this bike and it is a very nice addition to my collection.

What is in the future for this one? Restore it as it is (taking away some small parts and decals that do not belong on it, some cleaning, waxing and detailing) – or? I do have an almost complete Mavic group… NOS starfish, ZAP, etc. The only things missing is a seatpost and a headset. I would not want to use a round profile and black Mavic 330 seatpost on this frame as it would not go with the aero profile and the color scheme. A 305 headset would however be nice. It would be a (almost) tout Francais or tout Mavic. And that can never be a bad thing…

I have not really made up my mind yet. C-record or Mavic? Guess my options could be worse…

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I've never heard of the brand but that is pretty cool looking. I would definitely go with the Magic simply because it it us rather esoteric, at least it is here.

Could you post some pics against a plain background? I love the Afro styling but that the builder still put a pump peg on it.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
I've never heard of the brand but that is pretty cool looking. I would definitely go with the Magic simply because it it us rather esoteric, at least it is here.

Could you post some pics against a plain background? I love the Afro styling but that the builder still put a pump peg on it.
Pretty Bike. But we all know there's no such thing as "Magic".
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Omg! I hate this stupid tablet!!!
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Very unique bike, Stygnno, I imagine that is is very quick handling and can be twitchy if you don't watch what you are doing. I vote for C-Record, even if it isn't one of my favorite groupsets. I am looking forward to your thread about the restoration, or your build up, whichever you choose. Best wishes on this one being a really good build.

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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
Omg! I hate this stupid tablet!!!
Maybe it is the cause of the "Afro styling" also? It got me thinking quite a bit.

The brand is not well known and/but if Monsieur Quillon would have had the same marketing skills as Ernesto C it would have been another thing. He is big in France but mostly unknown in the rest of the world. A lot of famous riders has used his frames but he has not exploited that fact (internationally) and total number of frames is low.

I will post better pictures as the clean up begins.

Pump peg - guess it was almost mandatory on these unless built for real racing. There is nowhere to put a pump otherwise - the spoiler behind the headtube and the curved seattube make it impossible. The ones without pump peg has a numberplate holder.

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Originally Posted by qcpmsame
Very unique bike, Stygnno, I imagine that is is very quick handling and can be twitchy if you don't watch what you are doing. I vote for C-Record, even if it isn't one of my favorite groupsets. I am looking forward to your thread about the restoration, or your build up, whichever you choose. Best wishes on this one being a really good build.

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The strange thing is - that it is not twitchy at all. What it is - is fast accelerating and very strong uphill. When starting to push the pedals it responds very, very well. Stable on decents and very good in seated climbing. Looking at it before riding made me think the same as you did. I have just tried it for one time but I do have some to compare it with.

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1990 Geliano 115S catalog

Originally Posted by styggno1
When I went to Europeiska Cykelimporten (ECI) in the end of the 80ies Thordan stood behind the counter. He had just got some frames home from Geliano. I, of course, thought them being Italian. The name was to blame. It sounded really Italian. Thord soon took me out of that misunderstanding – telling me they were French and that they were really special. The prices put them far beyond my reach at that time. I was also very much into “less is more” and thought their paint jobs were tasteless.
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The original receipt, dated april 1990, specifying the model as 115 S and the frame number (putting it at 1998-9 as far as my investigations has reached so far), equipment as C-record and lastly also a note from the bikes first service at ECI. The price was extreme for its time but the exact amount I do not remember right now.

What a great find and nice to hear the history of the bike! Remember visiting Stockholm and the ECI shop in mid 80's and not being able to take my eyes of the futuristic Geliano demo-bikes with the smooth transition between the tubes and it's matching painted parts. If I'm not mistaken they pioneered aerodynamic frames and TT-funnies with 650C front wheels.
I still have some ECI catalogue's and the 115S model was listed in 1991 and as early as 1988. Also found a 115Z model in the 1995-96 edition but no picture so not sure what the differens was.
Here are some photos of the 1990 specification (in Swedish, sorry) and the various models, witch were the only colour pictures in the 150 page catalog. Jugging from this and the detailed description I think Geliano was Thord's favorit brand!
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Hi! Thank you for posting those photographs from the 1990 catalog! I have the catalogs for the years before and after but those does not include any pictures of the 115S. Nice that it has a similar paintjob as mine.

It is funny - even before seeing the picture of the 115S I had picked out a Fausto Coppi edition saddle (black though). I also have a Campag bottlecage and bottle - but it would be "wrong" if I go for the Mavic group. Or not... Why be a-al about it.

Thanks again.
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Hot here in Sweden yesterday (and today) - 30 Celsius. Spent some time in the shadows in the back yard preparing the frame for cleaning, rubbing and waxing. Will remove the decals from the Vätternrundan-races (six of them) otherwise it will be left as it is. There are almost no paint chips at all.

Cudos to the former owner as he kept the bike very well - everything came apart easily. Lube at all the right places.

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Geliano's mark is celestial airbrush work.
Here's a beauty on Flickr
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After todays cleaning, rubbing and waxing. Still to do - some small chip painting.










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I have a repair stand, but also have an old TurboTrainer - they make a great build stand, especially for wrapping handlebars.
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Started the build up today.

It is going to be a bit of a mix. I am going to keep the C-record headset and C-record seatpost. I will add a Campag Biodinamica bottle and cage and a Fausto Coppi edition saddle. The rest will be Mavic.

I guess the title of this thread ought to be Mavic AND C-record - not "or"...







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Sorry for cross-posting a bit today but I thought this thread needed an update.

Finished build:

More pictures here if interested:
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Oh.My.That is fabulous. Thanks for posting. Anything touched by Francis Quillon is great...
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You bring interesting bikes to this forum, [MENTION=436667]styggno1[/MENTION]! Thanks for that.
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Great build! Glad to see you deciding to take on Mavic's electronic shifting from back then!
You can give us a review on how it works so some may consider taking it on for their C&V builds in the future. The dovetail hinged Mavic stem is an interesting/rare feature on your bike. I have one on one of my 80's Peugeot. I remember having to really tighten down on the clamp bolt to keep my bars from rotating at the clamp while riding, and th8s was with a Mavic model 351 bar, so there should have had not been any issues with bar diameter. Must be because of some stretching at the front of clamp located dovetail hinge. Did you have the same issue with yours?
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Great build! Glad to see you deciding to take on Mavic's electronic shifting from back then!
You can give us a review on how it works so some may consider taking it on for their C&V builds in the future. The dovetail hinged Mavic stem is an interesting/rare feature on your bike. I have one on one of my 80's Peugeot. I remember having to really tighten down on the clamp bolt to keep my bars from rotating at the clamp while riding, and th8s was with a Mavic model 351 bar, so there should have had not been any issues with bar diameter. Must be because of some stretching at the front of clamp located dovetail hinge. Did you have the same issue with yours?
Thanks!

The Mavic stem - no problems this far. When I read your post I had to go and double check. I gave it a real work out and it did not move. I am using a 3TTT handlebar.



I will try to make a review on the ZAP system. I did make a film but I am having trouble getting it from my (phone) camera. Too big it says and my old phone will be scraped shortly for a new one. I will get back on the subject. Gear change with the NOS Maillard/Sachs 7 speed and a NOS Sedis Silver chain is very nice and distinct.



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Hmmm.......Is that a standard width chain? If if is, does the standard width Sedis chain work OK with the narrow spaced 7 speed freewheel you have there?
Asking because, I 'm able to use narrow Sedis/Sachs chains on 6 speed freewheels but not tried the other way around as you are doing. Always thought there might be a problem doing so.
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It is a compact Sedisport. Not compact by todays standard though...



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Took this one out today and fought the gravelroad for some kilometers until the asphalt took over. It is truly a fantastic bike. The frame performs wonderfully and the Mavic ZAP works as a charm. Frame is over 30 years old now and ZAP a bit over 25. Substituted the Ringlé Ti-Stix for the original 550RD QR (alu bits). The Ti-Stix are light but they are not as sure to hold the wheels in place as the Mavic quick release skewers.









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I can only second all the above Kudos for this bike's beauty - and the entire collection.


I must ask.

Was this a case of
having the Mavic bits
and needing to find the right frame for them?

Or
Is C-Record a bit mundane for the bike/frame?

Or
Both.
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