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Old 07-12-16, 06:46 PM
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Gion Italia - Pelizzoli content

I bought this frame from rccardr a couple of months ago and finally got all the pieces and the time to put her together. Gion was a marque used by Giovanni Pelizzoli for a year or so in the early 90's. Word is he only made about 150 frames with this brand.

This is a '92-ish make, Dedalo steel (later morphed into Dedacciai). This is my first 130 mm spaced steel frame, so I wanted to fit it out with a more modern group, so went with a shiny Chorus 10 speed; tried to stick with the shiny stuff vice carbon to keep in the spirit of the 90's. I reused the black tape from a recent parts donor bike but will likely go with some yellow bar tape in the future.

Took the bike on her maiden voyage today, 40 miles on the Blue Ridge Parkway. This is a very stiff ride (stiffest of all my steel bikes), she likes to go fast! Unfortunately a poor nights sleep and jungle like humidity robbed my legs of the oomph to really put her to the test, but I carved through a pretty sharp left hand sweeper downhill at 39 mph without even twitching a finger onto the brake lever. the handling is reminiscent of my C40 (Master geometry) although a little less forgiving.

Quick cell phone pics. Too much haze and humidity for good DSLR pics today.




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I think the yellow bar tape would look great on that. And match my school colors from Elkton, VA, LOL!
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Interesting to see a frame with that Italian phonetic spelling of "JOHN" (which is one of the brands that Giovanni sold to the Bonati Bros. when he sold Ciocc and Conti to them). Or at least that's my take on the events...somebody who has better info can correct me and set the record straight if it's "bent".
Nice acquisition, glad you are enjoying it and thanks for sharing!
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That turned out very nice!
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Nice, looks like a lot of fun.
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Really pretty Bicycle.
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Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
Interesting to see a frame with that Italian phonetic spelling of "JOHN"
Actually it phonetically says "Joan"



Does that head tube look steep? I remember my Ciocc seemed to have the same thing, quick steering made it difficult to ride no-hands but it was fun.
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
Actually it phonetically says "Joan"
Hah! That is technically correct but maybe that's the way they hear it in Bergamo

I think that "John" is what Giovanni considers to be his English corresponding given name, but just guessing.
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That is a sweet bike. Nice choices on components and wheels also.
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
Actually it phonetically says "Joan"


Does that head tube look steep? I remember my Ciocc seemed to have the same thing, quick steering made it difficult to ride no-hands but it was fun.
In my head I pronounce it "Jee- ahn" , but I like Joan too.

The head tube isn't as dramatically steep as it looks in the picture but it is steeper than normal. 76 deg by my not quite to be trusted manual protractor. I did try riding it no hands and it was definitely tricky, but didn't feel "twitchy" like some of my other bikes
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Originally Posted by Chrome Molly View Post
That is a sweet bike. Nice choices on components and wheels also.
Thanks. This might be my first build where I didn't need to tweak anything after the first ride. Shifting was flawless. The wheels were a recent acquisition from a parts donor bike (from the Coppi is the FS thread) ; the Campy G3 spoke pattern never appealed to me aesthetically but pleased with them so far and the weird spokes will probably grow on me.
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Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs View Post
In my head I pronounce it "Jee- ahn" , but I like Joan too.
you have to think like an Italian not an American/English speaker: in Italian the GI combination makes a single "J" sound, not a "JI" syllable and certainly not a hard "G".
So then the question is how does the NEXT vowel get voiced: is it a long "o" therefore "Joan", or a short "o' like "Jon"?
I'd guess that Giovanni P. (and that's pronounced Jo-VAN-ee, NOT GEE-o-VAN-ee) thinks it's "Jon as in short for Jonathan".
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Originally Posted by unworthy1 View Post
you have to think like an Italian not an American/English speaker: in Italian the GI combination makes a single "J" sound, not a "JI" syllable and certainly not a hard "G".
So then the question is how does the NEXT vowel get voiced: is it a long "o" therefore "Joan", or a short "o' like "Jon"?
I'd guess that Giovanni P. (and that's pronounced Jo-VAN-ee, NOT GEE-o-VAN-ee) thinks it's "Jon as in short for Jonathan".
Ahhh. Grazie!
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Gion Italia

Similar to a frame I picked up in 2018. Beautiful finish, cable routing, pantographs. These frames were made by Pelizzoli after selling the Ciocc brand in the early 80's. As far as I know they were not ever made for distribution by another company/brand. There was another frame he made, but I can't remember the name although I think it had "john" (English version) as part of it's name. I have not built up my frame as there are other projects on the bench right now. I can't include photos as yet; too new to the site. Pelizzoli still handcrafting race frames. I plan on contacting him to find out years and numbers of production.
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Ahhh. Grazie!
Hello Spaghetti,
Here's my frame before I start the build up. This different from your frame, and also from another example; so now I've seen 3 variants, all possibly using different tubing. There is no decal identifying what tubing is used.
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What is the status of the XJ?

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Hi Juvela,
You are always very observant! The XJ8 was the last Jag I bought after buying my first car ever: 1973 XJ6 Series 1, some 35 years ago; same time that I bought my first SERIOUS race bike ('75/'76 Colnago Super). After working on 6 classic Jags I decided my girlfriend needed to ride in a car where she had AC and music, and not have to occasionally inhale a little engine bay odor, thus the much newer XJ8's (great rides without a doubt!). That vehicle is the 2nd one identical to another that had an unfortunate mishap, so kept it for parts for the "new" XJ8. After 6 months the vehicle spun-out while driving to work in the rain. I managed to extricate the vehicle from the ditch and seeing no damage I got back on the road again only to have the exact same thing happen again in less than a mile. Only this time I spun-out into some trees tearing it up a little and certainly making it undriveable. It can only be assumed that due to a computer glitch, the rear axle essentially locked-up on itself causing the loss of control situations. I have trouble riding in any newer car now. Absolutely nothing feels safe; except an old analog controlled driver. Must be why I pretty much stick with the old friction shifting even on my much newer frame build-ups. I do not like indexed shifting/brifters or any of that other new fangled stuff. Keep it simple! I've had 3 (Jaguar, Chevy, and Mini) perfectly "mechanically" functioning cars only to have them, without warning, up and die on me and/or nearly killing me due to a computer problem. The car runs, but probable frame out of whack, charging system harness torn-up; so planning on selling for parts. It's got my blood pressure rising just thinking about it - better stop now!
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Grazie Mille Don HPL!

Have a local friend who purchased a new S Type at launch (relaunch?) in '99.

She loves the car and keeps it showroom

Loves it so much she got a second Jag a decade later - 2010 XF, while retaining the first.

Ran into her at a coffee bar last week and she was piloting a new Cayenne(!).

"DCI Morse was on the right track."

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Molto Benvenuto Juvela,

(I'll push my Italian no farther, nor my "Old Latin")

First car owned, 1973 XJ6 Series 1 in 1986; but bought first bike before the car. The bike was the reliable transportation, the car was back-up. Many Jags later I'm starting to work on a 1967 3.4S, an original "S-Type". Looks similar to your friend's "S" since they adopted the grill for the "new version", but that's about it.
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Thanks very much for the response!

Grille -

the thirteen bar vertical

the relaunched S Type eventually lost it to mesh

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I have no idea what they have now; everything looks so similar. Thought that mesh on cars was aftermarket bling, I'm fairly "purist" when it comes to cars and bikes, except paint.
I'll see if I can post a starting photo for the "S" on a "non-bike forum" forum. Vehicle needs a lot of TLC, but running as is. Search forums for: Jaguar 3.4S/S-Type.
I have seen a "Jaguar" brand bike, German made I believe. Anyone have one out there?
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