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Old 07-17-16, 09:18 AM
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Top Ten Really? Let the owner/riders have their say...

A list of the "Top 10 Most Collectable Vintage Bicycles"

(not in any particular order, I guess):

Colnago Master (mid 1980s)
Alberto Masi Prestige Colnago Mexico (late 1970s)
Cinelli Supercorsa (late 1970s)
Eddy Merckx Professional (early 1980s)
Gios Torino (early 1980s)
Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra (late 1980s - early 1990s)
De Rosa Professional (mid 1980s)
Bianchi Specialissima (with first generation C-Record)
Somec Special (mid 1970s)

Garnered from here (I have no connection to this site):

The Top 10 Most Collectible Vintage Bicycles | Steel Vintage Bikes Blog

I thought it would be interesting to discuss this hypothetical list among the C&V crowd, especially those who own and ride any of the listed bicycles.. (again, I haven't owned or ridden any of them).

I do find it odd that the list is crowded around the 1980's; not that there weren't some awesome rides built in that decade, but it seems like maybe all the other decades are under served. And, I think anything in the 1990's may not be "vintage" in certain circles. I'm thinking 25 years is a common measure of "vintage" (though, that point ha"s been argued more than once on this very board).

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It's completely arbitrary.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, vintage classic racing bicycles are a poor investment. Adjusting for inflation, the more desirable ones sold for $5000 + back in the day, just like top of the line racing bikes today. What are they worth now?? Buy them because you love them and want to ride them.

Back when I started riding, a Cinelli or a Masi was generally considered cream of the crop, but any well made Italian racing bike was desirable, and for practical purposes were equivalent AFA their utility for racing.
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WHAT!? No (fill in the blank)!!!!! Those guys are idiots!
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I can vouch for the EM Corsa Extra (SLX) and the DeRosa Pro. = they are sweet riders. In the frame sizes I ride the Corsa Extra is cloudlike (?Century geometry + tubing?); the DeRosa (also listed as SLX) is stiffer and definitely feels racier - rumor is the downtube is SP on 58+cm frames.


If it delivers a refined ride (based on your evolved preferences) then it belongs on the 'longer list' of greats. Smiles over miles is my adjudicator.
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...there's a six page thread on vintage carbon fiber now. The mind reels.....thank god no one has started a top ten list of beer can bikes.
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Originally Posted by uncle uncle View Post
IMO, which isn't saying much.....

Yes Colnago Master (mid 1980s)
Yes Alberto Masi Prestige Colnago Mexico (late 1970s)
For it's time, yes Cinelli Supercorsa (late 1970s)
No Eddy Merckx Professional (early 1980s)
No Gios Torino (early 1980s)
Yes Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra (late 1980s - early 1990s)
Yes De Rosa Professional (mid 1980s)
No Bianchi Specialissima (with first generation C-Record)
No Somec Special (mid 1970s)


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Hard to determine a top ten, but I'd put some of those right up there. The others are great bikes, just not head and shoulders above the crowd. The DeRosa and the Corsa Extra are nearly identical bikes.
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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
I can vouch for the EM Corsa Extra (SLX) and the DeRosa Pro. = they are sweet riders. In the frame sizes I ride the Corsa Extra is cloudlike (?Century geometry + tubing?); the DeRosa (also listed as SLX) is stiffer and definitely feels racier - rumor is the downtube is SP on 58+cm frames.


If it delivers a refined ride (based on your evolved preferences) then it belongs on the 'longer list' of greats. Smiles over miles is my adjudicator.
I've had both, and I agree.
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WHAT!? No (Pinarello)!!!!! Those guys are idiots!
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An interesting list.
I think one should compare it to what the same site had on offer to sell though...

From that, I think a few comments, first that the list is in general bikes that are to be found in the market, not many Cinelli Lasers for example, a bike that gets attention when on auction, no French constructeurs.

I would place Masi in the era of Alberto's dad on the list.
Colnago prior to 1975.
Cinelli while Cino was still running the show.
DeRosa prior to the investment cast era.
Herse and or Singer.

I like Gios of the Brooklyn team era. But not sure of ultimate collectibility, fun to ride though.

A special works Raleigh Team frame, especially of 753

From there it gets quite competitive.
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I think it's hard to say which is best. I have actually preferred my Olmo over my Merckx lately. Th Olmo fits better, but I really can't tell the difference in the ride. When it comes to all the different choices in quality frames, are we just paying more for the names?
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Originally Posted by sloar View Post
I think it's hard to say which is best. I have actually preferred my Olmo over my Merckx lately. Th Olmo fits better, but I really can't tell the difference in the ride. When it comes to all the different choices in quality frames, are we just paying more for the names?


Personally, I think there is a list of 'superior' bikes. But it is long and subjective and needs to reflect the many aspects of cycling. And who are the judges? After all, at this level, in the end = it's muchly about wheels and tires. More productive, IMHO, to talk about great framebuilders.
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I think part of the original list criteria was for bikes that have a reasonably wide audience to appreciate and be willing to purchase. Obliquely, the investment potential.
As such the original list is lacking as I mentioned.
Personal favorites are just that.
One could add Pinarello
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That article is marketing and steering customers to a business in Germany. Anyways...

Stated title as top 10 'most' collectible means what?

Popularity? Exclusive builders - custom? Unusual vintage with obscure frame features and components? Lightweights with confirmed provenance, raced in significant events?

Popularity -
Arguably Paramounts, PX-10's, Le / Team Champions, Raleigh Pro's are from volume producers but these special models are highly regarded and coveted. Not necessarily any one of them described better than a list of Italian makers or others, but if talking popularity I think they belong somewhere in there. They do seem to circulate within collections.

Exclusive -
For the portfolio estate planning, kids should save up for a Confente, Wizard and now anything with the late Bayliss name attached. Add whatever name you desire out of hundreds of other exclusive builders, cross your fingers while you pedal.

vintage rarity -
Lightweight survivors of an earlier era of the OP list. Flavor of equipped Cambio Corsa or French exotica. Ones that represent the big name racers of the day. You can't miss and all collectible. Original with patina is a bonus vs. the over restored.

While discussing, what else makes a modern collectible bike? I was thinking about one maker in particular and most recently being produced. The limited Bianchi Le Eroica. No clear association with a pro rider, race or championship but it comes in the box as exclusive with a different sort of storyline. Its simply unique with a long standing company. Kind of makes one wonder how it'll perceived in 30 years. The idea of that bike has changed my mind and its growing on me. Me thinks its cool.

Rumored Masi USA was up to some retroish offering but don't know for sure or if it was some modern equipped tigger made in Taiwan, or perhaps maybe US and with old style stickers. Regardless that would be a big zero in my view as for collectible.
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...nobody ever mentions poor ol' Richard Sachs in these threads. I feel badly for him.
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...nobody ever mentions poor ol' Richard Sachs in these threads. I feel badly for him.
or Ben Serotta, Roland Della Santa, and more
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...there's a six page thread on vintage carbon fiber now. The mind reels.....thank god no one has started a top ten WORST list of beer can bikes.


There = fixed it for ya. ^^^^^^
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Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman View Post
WHAT!? No (fill in the blank)!!!!! Those guys are idiots!
LMAO - it's like people who get irate over band _____ not being in the HOF, as if it affects their enjoyment of the performer.
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LMAO - it's like people who get irate over band _____ not being in the HOF, as if it affects their enjoyment of the performer.
WHAT!? No Apples In Stereo???? Those guys are idiots!!!!
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While I have a bias towards them, a nearly all Italian list is silly.

That fact they are all baby-boomer nostalgia is quite sad.

All in all, fail.
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While I have a bias towards them, a nearly all Italian list is silly.

That fact they are all baby-boomer nostalgia is quite sad.

All in all, fail.
Yup, that pretty well nails it. I'm sure the bikes on the list are all very fine, and those who own or more are doubtless very proud, but the list seems to start with a series of assumptions that disqualify any bike that I, for example, might be interested in owning or riding.

Aside from that, is one bike more collectable than another? I grant you postage stamps are easier to store than watermelons, and therefore more collectable; but I really don't see how Italian racing bikes are more collectable than Schwinn Stingrays. They both cost money, they both rust, they both take up space, and you'd be crazy to invest in either one.

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I think those would easily find a place on a top 30 list, but the list is too 80's and Italian based to be a top ten.
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Amen to the above, and I would add "What! No 70's Zeus?" Don
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Let the kids play for goodness sake. How else are they going to learn?
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Nothing British. Stupid list.
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And the top ten reasons top ten lists are stupid, are.....
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