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Old 07-18-16, 12:21 PM
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Sturmy Archer 3spd vs Shimano Nexus

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I'm riding a town bike with SA 3 spd. The gear seems okay to me for around here (pretty flat terrain).

Was talking to a salesman who claims the Shimano 8 speeds is vastly superior (modern design) than the SA.

The thing is the Shimano is on a deluxe bike that is $400 more than the entry-level bike with the SA 3.

Is the Nexus really "vastly superior" than the SA 3?

Or is the guy just trying to up sell me with BS.

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Old 07-18-16, 12:28 PM
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I've ridden bikes equipped with Shimano Nexus 7- and 8-speed hubs, and I've ridden many bikes with Sturmey Archer 3-speed hubs. While it was nice to have a wider range of gears with the Shimano, I wasn't crazy about the gearing steps, found myself shifting too much, and really prefer the simplicity of the 3-speed. Your mileage may vary, of course.
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Compare hubs of the same age. I don't think it's fair to compare an old SA hub with a new Shimano hub, if that's what you're doing.

Neal has a good point, though, because the spacing on the Shimano hub is not even. It feels awkward to me, though some people won't notice.

Where are you going to ride it, and how important are gears? This should weigh into your decision.
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
Compare hubs of the same age. I don't think it's fair to compare an old SA hub with a new Shimano hub, if that's what you're doing.

Neal has a good point, though, because the spacing on the Shimano hub is not even. It feels awkward to me, though some people won't notice.

Where are you going to ride it, and how important are gears? This should weigh into your decision.
My experience is only with the new SA hub. Like I said earlier...it seems fine to me...but

When I bought my current bike...I was looking for a single speed with coaster brake...but dealer didn't have that one...so I ended up with a 3 speed SA...and now, I love the 3 speed...it's smooth like a single speed but I get 3 gearings I can go faster on downhills.

I'm just concern that I might be missing out on a great technological improvement...but I really dislike the grip-style-shifting which was on the Nexus.
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Oh, I think you're fine. 3-speeds are simple and reliable and easy to repair. Hubs with more than five speeds are less so, so don't use one unless there's a good reason. I don't ride an internally geared hub often, but one fun feature is the ability to shift while stopped. I take advantage of that every time I stop at a light.

I think the new hubs are great, both brands. My own bias is for Sturmey Archers, but Shimanos are good, too.
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I am retired (mostly) but work one day a week at my LBS. They do not sell bikes with new S/A 3 speed hubs, so I have been assembling and working on Shimano 3 speeds lately. I find the hubs easy to adjust and set up, as well as reliable.

At home I have several old Raleighs with AW and SC3 hubs - I can't fault those at all. They stand the test of time and neglect.
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
...Was talking to a salesman who claims the Shimano 8 speeds is vastly superior (modern design) than the SA....
It's time for that salesman to back up his words by letting you take the Nexus equipped bicycle for a test ride, so you can make up your own mind.
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The Sturmey 3 has its flaws, but with a properly sized cog, is fine. I think the FW Four Speed and S5 Five speed were more versatile, but the AW can do a lot with the right cog on it.
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If the salesman was comparing a Shimano eight speed with a SA eight speed I agree with him. If he was comparing a Shimano eight speed with a SA three speed that's just ludicrous.
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I have ridden two AW-equipped bikes, one with a single cog and a coaster brake (AWC?), the other with a derailleur and a 14-16-18-20 Cyclo cogset (and, of course, no coaster brake). For a 1.5-mile commute or a quick shopping trip, the plain 3-speed was fine and kind of fun, but for longer, more serious, or hillier riding, I really appreciated the 10 unique ratios (L1-3, M1-4, H2-4) and smaller, fairly even, steps my 3x4 setup provided. The AW's 0.75 / 1.0 / 1.33 steps we just too big for my tastes.
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I have ridden two AW-equipped bikes, one with a single cog and a coaster brake (AWC?), the other with a derailleur and a 14-16-18-20 Cyclo cogset (and, of course, no coaster brake). For a 1.5-mile commute or a quick shopping trip, the plain 3-speed was fine and kind of fun, but for longer, more serious, or hillier riding, I really appreciated the 10 unique ratios (L1-3, M1-4, H2-4) and smaller, fairly even, steps my 3x4 setup provided. The AW's 0.75 / 1.0 / 1.33 steps we just too big for my tastes.
Those ratios and the neutral/in-between gear were the main flaws of the old AW. The new AW has no in-between, but you still have a big gap between those ratios, and somewhat high gearing overall. My wife rode an old AW for the first time about 2 weeks ago, and the first thing she said was there was a "huge jump" between normal and high.
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On flat terrain a three-speed would be my preference. I have an Alfine 8-speed on a bike and it's REAL finicky about cable pull. It's worth it where I live (mega hills) but it took some work to dial it in and make it stay dialed in. Also, I picked up the whole kit already built into nice wheels for $100, so I got in real cheap.
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Those ratios and the neutral/in-between gear were the main flaws of the old AW. The new AW has no in-between, but you still have a big gap between those ratios, and somewhat high gearing overall. My wife rode an old AW for the first time about 2 weeks ago, and the first thing she said was there was a "huge jump" between normal and high.
The 0.75/1.0/1.33 ratio provided a pretty nice gear range of about 50 to about 90 (depending on cog size). The free-spinning neutral position between 2nd and 3rd came in handy on the coaster brake hub, because it let me position my pedals for a fast startup from a stop, without lifting the rear wheel.
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