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Old 08-30-16, 05:47 PM
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If it was dry 32. If it was wet mud yeah 40 would be better obviously.
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Old 08-30-16, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Salamandrine View Post
If it was dry 32. If it was wet mud yeah 40 would be better obviously.
40+ imho
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Looks like Rat Trap Pass terrain.
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Originally Posted by USAZorro View Post
Looks like Rat Trap Pass terrain.
Not in the mud and silt.

Needs knobbies in that cr...

We just got back from our cabin in Ely.

250+ miles over three days back to St. Paul.

Mostly gravel and silt.

Granted, not a race, but a very long hard ride.

I rode Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads and they were just right on my Bilenky.
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Schwinn Voyager SP converted to 650b with 42mm wide small block tread like the Soma Cadadero. A 650b x 42 should handle most surfaces and conditions The bike could accept a 700 x 35 Schwalbe Marathon if conditions were dry. The extra strong Columbus SP tubing would hold up better than other materials.
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Old 08-30-16, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
I wonder if you discounted how much time everyone spent at rest stops and checkpoints what the time difference would be.

Perhaps the group in last place just had much more fun.
It's a long day in the saddle. Last year with the mud it took me just under 18 hours. This year it was dry but unexpectedly hot & the second half was against a 17-20 mph headwind, it took me 15:45. That included roughly 45 minutes of stops.

Ted King probably would've had 3 minutes of stops but he had to change a flat; he still came in 45 minutes before anyone else. By all accounts he's a super nice guy.
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Old 08-30-16, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Chrome Molly View Post
I've ridden this on a few Almonzo's and several other gravel rides.

Lemond Poprad:
Canti's
46/30 FSA gossamer triple converted to super compact double
12-32 10s rear
Rival med cage RD/FD and controls
Vuelta super light wheels (they hold up fine and are light)
Clement 40c tires
The rest is just stuff I like to run

I don't feel like I'm losing a lot to the rest of the field, but I have considered how a 5lb lighter carbon cross/gravel bike would feel in terms of climbs and sustaining speed on the rollers.

Not modern or vintage I guess
Now that you mention it I saw a decent number of Lemonds out there.

Last year I rode a nashbar steel cross bike, 46/36 with an 11-36. It was overkill and I never could get the deore 9 speed RD to play nice with the 10 speed 105 shifters.

This year I rode an aluminum specialized tricross, 50/34 with 11-32. Like you, I found I had plenty of gears for climbing. More top end than I need 99% of the time but it's nice to pretend like I'll use it.

It weighs about 5 pounds less than my steel bike. I guess I could tell a difference but the lack of mud this year was a bigger factor.
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Old 08-30-16, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
Another really cool bike would be one of the bianchi project hybrid bikes, GT Tachyon, Bianchi Project 7, and the Tire Standard That Wasn?t - Bike Hugger
I'd never really known about the Project bikes until recently. Intriguing. I love things that were ahead of their time.
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2018 DK200 is coming up next weekend--I know this thread is two years old, but I am really interested to see any additional ideas for a Dirty Kanza-specific C&V build.

For my part, I'm wondering if I could get anywhere starting from one of these:

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Originally Posted by belacqua View Post
2018 DK200 is coming up next weekend--I know this thread is two years old, but I am really interested to see any additional ideas for a Dirty Kanza-specific C&V build.

For my part, I'm wondering if I could get anywhere starting from one of these:
Just being C&V, I'd start with the top one. And it looks like w/o fenders it should have plenty o' tire room.
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Old 05-25-18, 07:43 PM
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Just being C&V, I'd start with the top one. And it looks like w/o fenders it should have plenty o' tire room.
That Stumpjumper is turning 25 this year!
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Old 05-31-19, 11:43 AM
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It's that time of year. Anybody else thinking about this topic?
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Jan Heine did the Oregon Outback (a similar really long gravel race) on a Herse with 650x42 tires, fenders, bar bag, dyno lighting. Any rando machine that fits wide rubber would probably do you proud.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
The Dirty what? Link
Sanchez.

You don't want a link.

You REALLY do not want a link.
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Originally Posted by scarlson View Post
Jan Heine did the Oregon Outback (a similar really long gravel race) on a Herse with 650x42 tires, fenders, bar bag, dyno lighting. Any rando machine that fits wide rubber would probably do you proud.
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Yeah I'm beginning to think he's the cycling equivalent of the wicked witch of the west: flies over everything like he's on a broom, but needs fenders to keep from getting his arse wet or he'll melt.
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it seems that Heine's Herse was built in 2011 with superlight tubing--but the tech on it is definitely as vintage as they come. What an awesome bike. I wish I had more specs on it.

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Yeah I'm beginning to think he's the cycling equivalent of the wicked witch of the west: flies over everything like he's on a broom, but needs fenders to keep from getting his arse wet or he'll melt.
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Originally Posted by belacqua View Post
it seems that Heine's Herse was built in 2011 with superlight tubing--but the tech on it is definitely as vintage as they come. What an awesome bike. I wish I had more specs on it.
There's definitely a BQ issue in my collection that has some specs. Give me a few days and I'll dig it up for you because my memory isn't perfect.
What I remember:
-Frame geometry: around 30mm of trail and steep (>73 degree) head angle
-Rear mech: Nivex (made of pure unobtainium, I've seen two ever, one in a museum and one at Alex Singer shop)
-Front mech: Custom made "suicide" lever-operated. He says this derailleur has several features: the chain rub moves the derailleur out of the way when it needs trimming so it never rubs, and he says stretching down to shift the thing loosens up his shoulders on long rides.
-Gearing: 5 or 6 speed freewheel, roughly 14-28; double crank 46-30
-Levers: Mafac
-Brakes: Compass (basically copies of Mafac "Raid")
-Fenders: Lefol Le Martelé (I think or maybe they're Honjo) with hollow aluminum rod used for stays
-Front rack: custom (similar to Nitto mini rack but probably lighter)
-Front hub: SON dynamo
-Headlight: Edelux II
-Tail light: Compass/Herse
-Crank: Herse, 170 I think.
-Rear hub: Maxicar (late/common style one-piece forged) with special hollow axle that works with a captive wingnut and chainrest on the frame so that you can take the hub out without getting hands dirty on the chain.
-Rims: Pacenti Brevet I think

Think it weighs about 10 or 11 kg with nothing in the bag.

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Originally Posted by belacqua View Post
It's that time of year. Anybody else thinking about this topic?
Funny thread- I don't remember it, but what I posted 2.5 years ago is what i would still use if it had to be a c&v setup.
An early 90s hybrid for tire clearance and the stock wide range drivetrain.


I've chuckled at some of the responses. 32mm tires would seem miserable. Surprised how few know about the race.
It's clearly skewed in my mind as i figure more know of it.
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I don't know what vintage bike arrangement is best for "fat clay", which is what you find on Kansas back roads that haven't been graced with limestone gravel? Even the finely crushed limestone, along with the fat clay, persistently sticks to every surface is comes into contact, like Mother Nature's equivalent to a toothpaste-to-sink mystery adhesion force.
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Yeah I'm beginning to think he's the cycling equivalent of the wicked witch of the west: flies over everything like he's on a broom, but needs fenders to keep from getting his arse wet or he'll melt.
HEY! I resemble that remark.

FWIW my Norther is basically a vintage rando machine (though with aero brake levers- no brifters though). 42mm rubber and fenders- to prevent melting, obviously.
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Originally Posted by DHPflaumer View Post
HEY! I resemble that remark.

FWIW my Norther is basically a vintage rando machine (though with aero brake levers- no brifters though). 42mm rubber and fenders- to prevent melting, obviously.
Heh, mee too brother! Everything in my fleet is like that except the Vitus 979, which _can't_ take fenders. And worse, I evangelize. Dirty water from below is sooo much worse than clean water from above. Hek, I feel like I'm melting when I get caught in the wet on my non-fendered Vitus, which is partly why I mentioned it.
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Originally Posted by scarlson View Post
Heh, mee too brother! Everything in my fleet is like that except the Vitus 979, which _can't_ take fenders. And worse, I evangelize. Dirty water from below is sooo much worse than clean water from above. Hek, I feel like I'm melting when I get caught in the wet on my non-fendered Vitus, which is partly why I mentioned it.
Unrelated, but if you ever need someone to help you ride the Jack Taylor tandem in your signature, Rhode Island is close! My dream is to pick up a vintage 650b tandem!
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Originally Posted by ksryder View Post
It's a long day in the saddle. Last year with the mud it took me just under 18 hours. This year it was dry but unexpectedly hot & the second half was against a 17-20 mph headwind, it took me 15:45. That included roughly 45 minutes of stops.

Ted King probably would've had 3 minutes of stops but he had to change a flat; he still came in 45 minutes before anyone else. By all accounts he's a super nice guy.
Congrats ksryder! That's is some ride. The names near the top are pretty impressive, just to pick 2 are Peter Stetina and Geoff Kabush. Some locals drove out there, one who was around 50th, so I looked at the results last night. Really, the way bikes have evolved, if you stripped down many of those current tech gravel bikes the winners were on, and a 29" hardtail of today, you'd have a hard time telling them apart. Any vintage bike that could start to compare would take a very large 700 tire. Maybe something like an early trek 750. I was laughing with a guy on a ride Thurs about how so many people do centuries now, you forget how hard they can be. You get to about mile 80, and if you've been working and pushing the peddles, the last 20 can really be hard. 200 on dirt?!?! The winner averaged over 20mph. That means there were stretches where these guys were in groups, flying, like the local A group on a weekday ride.
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