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Old 08-30-16, 07:47 PM
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Is the modern day "Holdsworth" the equivalent to BikesDirect "Motobecane"?

Today's Motobecane has zero to do with the old French Motobecane as we all know. In my search for a British audax frame, I found Holdsworths being sold exclusively at PlanetX cycles in the UK. I read some reviews that said the modern Holdsworths were not the same as the original, but I wondered if it is a re-birth of sorts where someone or some larger bicycle company tried to resurrect the brand from the ashes, or more like Motobecane's case where a company just bought the name. I'm aweful my tempted by the Holdsworth Cyclone on PXB.
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Considering they are either crafted in Britain or Italy, I would not dream of comparing them to Motobecanes, which are mostly produced in unnamed factories alongside thousands (or millions) of other mass-market frames, and now belong under a corporate banner that reflects no heritage whatsoever. A lot of old names get revived in an attempt to cash in on the reputation (i.e. the Motobecanes, Dawes or Windsors of Bikesdirect.com), but there is also the possibility of great pride going into such an endeavor.

The new Holdsworths appear to be crafted with care and from fine materials, and are probably made in the same frame shops producing a number of other quality frames for other name brands. Consider the new Bianchi Eroica, which appears on the official site as simply being "designed and made in Italy." Nothing wrong with that, as long as the quality of the product is up to snuff!

Eroica | Bianchi USA

The only thing that may separate that frame from a new Holdsworth Cyclone is one man on an assembly line, a paint scheme and some decals. Does one really possess more value than the other, intrinsically? Methinks not! So, I would far more easily compare the new Holdsworths to some of the finer steel frames being produced for the large names (consider also the new Masi Gran Criterium lugged bikes and the Raleigh USA heritage line a few years back), than to say they have anything in common with the marketing of budget bicycles using old logos such as today's Motobecane.

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I wouldnt call it a Motobecane usa copy.

PlanetX bought the business...pretty much for the name, it seems.
But regardless of intention behind the purchase, Holdsworth is similar to Fuji or Cannondale.


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Considering they are either crafted in Britain or Italy, I would not dream of comparing them to Motobecanes, which are mostly produced in unnamed factories alongside thousands (or millions) of other mass-market frames, and now belong under a corporate banner that reflects no heritage whatsoever. A lot of old names get revived in an attempt to cash in on the reputation (i.e. the Motobecanes, Dawes or Windsors of Bikesdirect.com), but there is also the possibility of great pride going into such an endeavor.

The new Holdsworths appear to be crafted with care and from fine materials, and are probably made in the same frame shops producing a number of other quality frames for other name brands. Consider the new Bianchi Eroica, which appears on the official site as simply being "designed and made in Italy." Nothing wrong with that, as long as the quality of the product is up to snuff!

Eroica | Bianchi USA

The only thing that may separate that frame from a new Holdsworth Cyclone is one man on an assembly line, a paint scheme and some decals. Does one really possess more value than the other, intrinsically? Methinks not! So, I would far more easily compare the new Holdsworths to some of the finer steel frames being produced for the large names (consider also the new Masi Gran Criterium lugged bikes and the Raleigh USA heritage line a few years back), than to say they have anything in common with the marketing of budget bicycles using old logos such as today's Motobecane.

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Excellent example! I agree that the Masi brand resurgence has more in common with Holdsworth than Motobecane now, but I thought that when Masi first started the resurgence, it was a case of the name being bought and the Masi decal being slapped on generic Chinese frames. Even if that was the case, I like that they went back to slapping their decals onto steel frames actually made in Italy.
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So I maybe be kinda just talking out of my hindquarters on this, since I can't recall any Planet-X/Holdsworth project details, and I'm too tired to google. But if you're hankering for genuine British steel, you might want to look into Mercian and Woodrup, who haven't sold their names to anybody and after many, many decades are still brazing handbuilt framesets in England. Kevin Sayles has been building for several famous British marques since the '60s, and is building Woodrups now, for the Woodrups. He's a frequent poster on the CR list.

If I'm paying real money for a new handbuilt frame, I'd rather buy it from somebody who's actually building it, whose name is on the frame. Or from somebody having the frame built by a known and respected builder.

Does anybody know who's building the Holdsworths for PlanetX?
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...But if you're hankering for genuine British steel, you might want to look into Mercian and Woodrup, who haven't sold their names to anybody and after many, many decades are still brazing handbuilt framesets in England...
Ride-Fly already has a recent thread that goes over such options rather extensively, as he began searching for a classic light-touring frame set.

http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...yle-frame.html
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Does anybody know who's building the Holdsworths for PlanetX?
Not sure of who, but I have read that some frames are built in Italy and some are built in England. Other frames arent advertised as being built in those places and are advertised as TIG'd, so chances are those are coming from Taiwan or China depending on price point.

Even one of the TIG'd frames is some form of Reynolds and triple butted, so its not like only their upper stuff is coming from Italy and England.
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