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Old 09-26-16, 02:37 PM
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Colnago disappointment

I just read an article (saarf.London) on how to tell the difference between a Colnago Nuovo Mexico from 1980's vs other Colnago models of that time period. The author states that a Nuovo Mexico will have two crimps on the top tube, four crimps on the down tube, and no crimps on the inside of the chain stays. Well my Colnago, which I thought was a Nuovo Mexico, has two, two, and one each on the inside of each chain stay. So it's definitely not a Nuovo Mexico? Say it isn't so Sam!
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Post some photos of your bike including close-ups, and photos of the lugs.

I think Colnago experimented a bit during development, so it is possible you managed to source an early frame or something that doesn't follow the rules for one reason or another.

I managed to pick up a frame (awaiting deciding what to do with it) with no TT crimps, but an octagonal DT crimp that just seems to not follow any of the rules.

I think the Master frames had more of a square crimp, so if you don't have that, then it isn't a Master.

Here are a couple of photos of my Mystery Colnago frame, that for now I'll consider as a Nuovo Mexico for not having anything better to call it.





Anyway, perhaps the most important thing is not an exact model ID, but finding a frame that you enjoy riding.
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My Nuovo Mexico also has two crimps on the top tube, two crimps on the down tube, and one crimp each on the inside of the chain stays.

Who is saying what?













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Old 09-26-16, 04:04 PM
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This reminds me of any number of collectors who proclaim that their bike is better than others due to…. (insert the attributes you wish).

Obviously you bike is now proclaimed inferior and will go up hills like a pig and buck you off on any descent.
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Every Colnago I've ridden has been a disappointment.


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Originally Posted by jiangshi View Post
Every Colnago I've ridden has been a disappointment.


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I avoided them for 40+ years. I now have three that fit me, another for one of my children.
I find them entertaining. A great bike for up to a 3 hours ride, beyond that I want a bike that takes care of me more.
The '69 Super is almost everything, almost.
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Old 09-26-16, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
The '69 Super is almost everything, almost.
Hmmm...

My 68/69 is more like a pack mule than anything else.



It felt a little ornery when I was pushing it up to 40 MPH going down hills too.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Post some photos of your bike including close-ups, and photos of the lugs.

I think Colnago experimented a bit during development, so it is possible you managed to source an early frame or something that doesn't follow the rules for one reason or another.
I did have catalogues in that time from some importers/retailers which also sold Colnago. If i interpret what they wrote in those catalogues, it read like: "we can order according to your colour and specs, but what we will get (in 3months, 5 months or a year, or whenever they feel like it) will very possibly have little to no resemblance to what you've ordered/whats in the pretty catalogue pictures. Consider yourself lucky if its your size and don't fuss about details"
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Hmmm...

My 68/69 is more like a pack mule than anything else.



It felt a little ornery when I was pushing it up to 40 MPH going down hills too.
Well, the bike did not have eyelets for a reason… you ignored that.
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a subject with which I'm not familiar....

I'll probably never own one, but they're nice to look at.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
Well, the bike did not have eyelets for a reason… you ignored that.
Then what are those holes in the dropouts for?

And the Blackburn kits?



I've had the bike sine long before Craigslist existed, but it seems like everyone on Craigslist will call any steel frame bike a "touring bike" today.

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Old 09-26-16, 04:44 PM
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I only have one Colnago, a '77 Super. Nothing exotic but all Italian and all racer. No disappointments here.
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FWIW, my 1983 Colnago Nouvo Mexico has two crimps on the TT, four on the seat tube and none that I see on the inside of the chain stays.
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Two crimps on top, two down and inside the chainstays here. I am the second owner and know mine was originally purchased in 1983. Nuovo Mexico. I would take the article with a big fat grain of salt.

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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude View Post
Two crips on top, two down and inside the chainstays here. I am the second owner and know mine was originally purchased in 1983. Nuovo Mexico. I would take the article with a big fat grain of salt.

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Be careful too much salt is now frowned on.
I always consider the authors possible bias.
Then there is the "mine is better than yours syndrome"
CR list had a few vocal adherents.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Then what are those holes in the dropouts for?

And the Blackburn kits?



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So, blaming the Americans are you?
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Post some photos of your bike including close-ups, and photos of the lugs.

I think Colnago experimented a bit during development, so it is possible you managed to source an early frame or something that doesn't follow the rules for one reason or another.

I managed to pick up a frame (awaiting deciding what to do with it) with no TT crimps, but an octagonal DT crimp that just seems to not follow any of the rules.

I think the Master frames had more of a square crimp, so if you don't have that, then it isn't a Master.

Here are a couple of photos of my Mystery Colnago frame, that for now I'll consider as a Nuovo Mexico for not having anything better to call it.





Anyway, perhaps the most important thing is not an exact model ID, but finding a frame that you enjoy riding.
Hi CliffordK,

Being old, my eyesight is not that great but I think your frame could be a Colnago Total Spiral Conic SLX which was available in the late 80's / early 90's and at the same time as the Master's etc.
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Originally Posted by Gary Fountain View Post
Hi CliffordK,

Being old, my eyesight is not that great but I think your frame could be a Colnago Total Spiral Conic SLX which was available in the late 80's / early 90's and at the same time as the Master's etc.
Thanks,
I think you're right.

I hadn't realized the conic shape to the downtube (28.2 to 32mm). A most interesting design innovation of the time.
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'83 with two crimps along TT and DT, single crimp on inside of CSs, enjoy it!
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
a subject with which I'm not familiar....

I'll probably never own one, but they're nice to look at.


+1.
I've already got 2 Italians.
Looking for something Spanish.....
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
Well, the bike did not have eyelets for a reason… you ignored that.

I once asked a builder if eyelets on rear dropouts was an option. His answer was short, "I don't make touring bikes!". He has subsequently come around to the larger market.
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I once asked a builder if eyelets on rear dropouts was an option. His answer was short, "I don't make touring bikes!". He has subsequently come around to the larger market.
I had a Cinelli Super Corsa with front and rear eyelets. I guess he was above that, in a racing sense. It was an '89, so I suppose Andrea Cinelli was more flexible.
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I once asked a builder if eyelets on rear dropouts was an option. His answer was short, "I don't make touring bikes!". He has subsequently come around to the larger market.
LOL -- I went the opposite way and asked the Rivendell guys' if they could whip me up a track bike

Grant sent me an email and said a racing bike wasn't their speed- so he referred me to these guys' and all was right with the world

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I had a Cinelli Super Corsa with front and rear eyelets. I guess he was above that, in a racing sense. It was an '89, so I suppose Andrea Cinelli was more flexible.
Even in the early 70's Cinelli's would arrive from time to time with eyelets and fenders. Now, the eyelets were filed "square" in the same mode as the Italians often do to the dropouts, but Cino knew that many of his clients were gentleman cyclists.
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LOL Grant sent me an email and said a racing bike wasn't their speed- so he referred ....
A Rivendell track bike. Does not sound quite right. But no one expected Craig Calfee to make a niche out of high-end bamboo bikes. In purist fashion, a Rivendell trackie must never be allowed to have any form of brakes, and skinsuits are not permitted to be worn while riding one.
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