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Old 09-26-16, 07:29 PM
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Is Cycle Art original paint on some bikes?

Looking at this bike and wondering if the paint job is original? It is a mid 80's Italian i believe. How do I tell if paint is original and if not Cycle Art does quality paint jobs right? What does it do to value if it is aftermarket Cycle Art paint job?

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Old 09-26-16, 07:44 PM
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It is very doubtful that any Italian manufacturers would ship a bare frame to California to be painted.

I doubt that anybody would have just stuck the sticker on either. Stencil?

As you said, CycleArt should be essentially as good as new. So, not exactly original for some stickler in originality, but it should be very good.

I can't say about the value, but surely it is better than some abused scratched, chipped 30 year old paint job.

Photos of the whole bike? Brand?
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Someone suggested that cycle art painted early Richard Sachs bikes. I'm not sure if it's true or not.
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I will try to get some more photos later. I know 10 speed drive used to paint some of their Italian bikes at some point because of quality control issues coming from the factory.
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If I understand correctly, CycleArt painted Sachs frames until maybe 1985, when the work went to Joe Bell.

Yes, TSD imported Italian built frames and had them painted in the US; they also checked alignment and faced and chased the head tubes and bottom brackets. But CycleArt was not involved in any of the TSD stuff, as far as I know.
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Originally Posted by rccardr View Post
Yes, TSD imported Italian built frames and had them painted in the US; they also checked alignment and faced and chased the head tubes and bottom brackets. But CycleArt was not involved in any of the TSD stuff, as far as I know.
I had a TSD CIOCC and there was no logo from the painter on it. Some people will always prefer a bike with original paint while others may not. CycleArt is a good painter but I would expect some reduction in value over original paint in good condition. Personally, I'd rather have a nice re-paint from a quality shop than a frame with serious paint damage, rust, etc.
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I have a CyclArt repaint and the quality is great. They do not use original manufacturers decals (or so a pleasant woman told me), so it lacks something for me. On my EM Extra Corsa, I will have to source the Corsa Extra label for the top tube. Also no Columbus frame decal which i will get, too.
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Originally Posted by rccardr View Post
If I understand correctly, CycleArt painted Sachs frames until maybe 1985, when the work went to Joe Bell.

Yes, TSD imported Italian built frames and had them painted in the US; they also checked alignment and faced and chased the head tubes and bottom brackets. But CycleArt was not involved in any of the TSD stuff, as far as I know.
This is, according to RS, correct. He posted about it a few days ago. Peter Mooney also used fresh frames in the 80s; I bought one with the cyclart label and assumed repaint...mr mooney said otherwise.

For almost all buyers a restoration significantly effects value - for the negative. I personally don't like cyclart' restoration work much, so it would limit me. I can't imagine an Italian builder using cyclart...but I suppose it's possible a customer might order an unpainted frame and have it sent to them. I doubt it though.
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Originally Posted by sloar View Post
Someone suggested that cycle art painted early Richard Sachs bikes. I'm not sure if it's true or not.
For a period. Decades ago.
So did Brian Baylis.
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Do you have more info about the actual brand/model of the frame? That certainly would help narrow things down a bit.

How about a history of previous owners of the bike? Somebody might know. I don't know how responsive CyclArt is, but they might be able to help you with the history of hat particular bike too, although are they in the middle of changing owners/facilities? Perhaps it would be a good time to contact them before they completely leave California, but it could also be hectic.
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Even in good times, cyclart has, in the past, charged something like $25 to ask them questions. I don't know if it's the same ownership.

I'm pretty sure mr. Sachs is a pretty busy dude, but he answers questions, gracefully, immediately.
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Yeah, my Bob Jackson was done by them and looks great until you get close and see the wear on it. I had no luck getting a response from them though when asking about the bike. Not like the Antonio Billato and Dario P. Who both responded personally to my inquiries and we're helpful and gracious.
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Originally Posted by jamesdak View Post
Yeah, my Bob Jackson was done by them and looks great until you get close and see the wear on it. I had no luck getting a response from them though when asking about the bike. Not like the Antonio Billato and Dario P. Who both responded personally to my inquiries and we're helpful and gracious.
I know on one who sent their frame back to Bob Jackson for paint and the overall cost including shipping was less than the C estimate. Yes, transatlantic shipping is a bit of a risk, so is cross country.
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