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guzziee 10-05-16 08:15 AM

Raleigh beater find
 
1 more beater find. I believe it to be a repainted 1973 Raleigh International, missing head badge, capella lugs, campy drops front and back, 27.2 seatpost. Parts on it are junk, not sure what to do with this one yet.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...e/IMG_1576.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...e/IMG_1575.jpg

tyler_fred 10-05-16 08:46 AM

I wonder how well the rear brake works mounted in that fashion...

nesteel 10-05-16 09:21 AM

Tear it down, clean it, put it on Craigslist with the rest of 'em.

Kilroy1988 10-05-16 09:33 AM

I can't be sure what you have based on the small photos, but the International had nervex lugs, didn't it? Capella would indicate something like a Super Course or Gran Sport from the late '60s or early '70s, perhaps.

bulldog1935 10-05-16 09:42 AM

with the medium-trail fork, I guess a Competition GS or Professional. Curious mix of components with the later Suntour DT shifters.

guzziee 10-05-16 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by Kilroy1988 (Post 19103252)
I can't be sure what you have based on the small photos, but the International had nervex lugs, didn't it? Capella would indicate something like a Super Course or Gran Sport from the late '60s or early '70s, perhaps.

For the international 73 was the only year with capella lugs, wrap over stays and campagnolo drops. I had a champagne one once.

Kilroy1988 10-05-16 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by guzziee (Post 19103285)
For the international 73 was the only year with capella lugs, wrap over stays and campagnolo drops. I had a champagne one once.

Interesting! I've only owned a '74, but a majority (though not all) of the '73 models I see online still suggest Nervex lugs. Yours must have been a rare find! Are the lugs like this one?

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2009/cc...jones1109.html

I've also seen those on earlier Super Course frames, and have always admired that particular lug... If your frame was one size larger I'd likely be begging you to sell it to me. Good luck with whatever you do!


Originally Posted by bulldog1935 (Post 19103273)
with the medium-trail fork, I guess a Competition GS or Professional. Curious mix of components with the later Suntour DT shifters.

Unlikely to be a Professional. 1969 was the last year with center-pull brakes, and even a couple of years earlier they already had the rounded lugs and integrated seat stays. There were definitely some Comps floating around with capella lugs as late as the early '70s, though.

bulldog1935 10-05-16 09:59 AM

thanks, maybe a Super Course, but I didn't remember chrome socks on the rear triangles.

guzziee 10-05-16 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by Kilroy1988 (Post 19103294)
Interesting! I've only owned a '74, but a majority (though not all) of the '73 models I see online still suggest Nervex lugs. Yours must have been a rare find! Are the lugs like this one?

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2009/cc...jones1109.html

I've also seen those on earlier Super Course frames, and have always admired that particular lug... If your frame was one size larger I'd likely be begging you to sell it to me. Good luck with whatever you do!



Unlikely to be a Professional. 1969 was the last year with center-pull brakes, and even a couple of years earlier they already had the rounded lugs and integrated seat stays. There were definitely some Comps floating around with capella lugs as late as the early '70s, though.

Correct just like that one, but mine doesn't have the long spear fork crown. I believe super course didn't have the wrap over stays and forged campagnolo lugs.

guzziee 10-05-16 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by Kilroy1988 (Post 19103294)
Interesting! I've only owned a '74, but a majority (though not all) of the '73 models I see online still suggest Nervex lugs. Yours must have been a rare find! Are the lugs like this one?

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2009/cc...jones1109.html

I've also seen those on earlier Super Course frames, and have always admired that particular lug... If your frame was one size larger I'd likely be begging you to sell it to me. Good luck with whatever you do!



Unlikely to be a Professional. 1969 was the last year with center-pull brakes, and even a couple of years earlier they already had the rounded lugs and integrated seat stays. There were definitely some Comps floating around with capella lugs as late as the early '70s, though.

Correct just like that one, but this one doesn't have the long spear fork crown. I believe super course didn't have the wrap over stays and forged campagnolo lugs.

Kilroy1988 10-05-16 10:11 AM

I almost forgot to consider that guzziee said it has Campagnolo drop outs, which really does limit it to the International or Competition... And given that he's already cited a correct example International with the same lugs, stays, etc... I think he's got it pinned pretty good! The capella lugs are certainly rare on the Internationals, which is why I was perplexed at first, but it makes sense now. :)

nlerner 10-05-16 01:59 PM

I had a '73 Int'l with Capella lugs. Actually, I've also had a '73 Competition and a '73 Super Course with Capella lugs (Raleigh was really pushing out those lugs that year). Wouldn't a Competition have Huret dropouts that year? If this one has Campy, I'd say it's an Int'l.

merziac 10-05-16 02:23 PM

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[QUOTE=tyler_fred;19103133]I wonder how well the rear brake works mounted in that fashion...[/QUOTE

Works just fine, on the trailing side, just like the front. :)

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Been riding it this way for almost 3 yrs. not a single twitch loaded or otherwise.

rustystrings61 10-05-16 02:40 PM

'73 International with Capella lugs, the only year they made them that way - did the chrome survive on the head lugs underneath the paint? It's worthy of being more than a beater ...

thumpism 10-05-16 08:39 PM

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Fork crown is not Pro.

juls 10-06-16 04:52 AM

R Ace?

repechage 10-06-16 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 19103854)
I had a '73 Int'l with Capella lugs. Actually, I've also had a '73 Competition and a '73 Super Course with Capella lugs (Raleigh was really pushing out those lugs that year). Wouldn't a Competition have Huret dropouts that year? If this one has Campy, I'd say it's an Int'l.

Carlton uses them on the Catalina a decade earlier too.
Small chance the bike started out as a Carlton.
Either case would have evidence of a head badge ( inside the headtube if no holes visible as it is a respray)

guzziee 10-06-16 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by repechage (Post 19105074)
Carlton uses them on the Catalina a decade earlier too.
Small chance the bike started out as a Carlton.
Either case would have evidence of a head badge ( inside the headtube if no holes visible as it is a respray)

There's 3 holes like for a Heron badge.

juls 10-06-16 11:40 AM

serial #? Would shed some light.

noglider 10-06-16 03:14 PM

It looks like an International, and if you build it as a beater, you'll love it. Well, if you have the same taste in bikes, you will. Mine is built as an all-purpose rider, and I adore it. I'm going to start selling some bikes now that I have found my true love. I'm even thinking of getting another International!

Mine is taken apart, waiting for me to rebuild it. It had 37mm tires on it. That was a tight fit between the chainstays, as any wheel wobble would have rubbed against the frame. I'll be putting fenders and 32mm tires on it next. Maybe one day it will have 650b wheels.

Camilo 10-06-16 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by bulldog1935 (Post 19103298)
thanks, maybe a Super Course, but I didn't remember chrome socks on the rear triangles.

I had a mid-ish 70s Super Course and while it had chrome on the rear triangle, it definitely did not have campy dropouts. It had stamped drop outs. I did love that bike though and might be the only bike I regret selling, even though it wasn't much in terms of top end gear.

nlerner 10-06-16 05:30 PM

Is there really any doubt that this is a '73 International?

Grand Bois 10-06-16 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by Kilroy1988 (Post 19103316)
I almost forgot to consider that guzziee said it has Campagnolo drop outs, which really does limit it to the International or Competition.

1973 Competitions had Huret dropouts.

Vintage Raleigh 10-06-16 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by guzziee (Post 19103047)
1 more beater find. I believe it to be a repainted 1973 Raleigh International, missing head badge, capella lugs, campy drops front and back, 27.2 seatpost. Parts on it are junk, not sure what to do with this one yet.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...e/IMG_1576.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...e/IMG_1575.jpg

The fork rake on your bike is racier than my 74 International.

Kilroy1988 10-06-16 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by Grand Bois (Post 19106718)
1973 Competitions had Huret dropouts.

Indeed. I assume it wasn't equipped with Campagnolo until it was the G.S. model, yes? I had forgotten it was just the "Mk II" at that time. Cheers!


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