Both the chaining and the derailleur look bad IMHO. Drillium, when done well, has a pleasing aesthetic. It compliments the original component. Those two look like bike parts with a lot of holes in them. The frame looks to be the most interesting part of that picture.

I'll link to what it is a bit later...I was waffling on buying it...was speaking with another member...and he made the decision easier by offering one of the same builder I like more. He has three from that builder, the one I'm buying the least interesting...but it's still pretty durn' impressive in my mind.

The bike in the photos does have some neat features though...particularly for its time.

For something like a chainring, I might look for drilled through logos, or missing logos. Not necessarily indicative, but it might help.

Perhaps this also brings up "FAKES"

I have looked at Colnago Pantographed items. As far as I can tell, there were quite a few items that bore the Colnago logo. But, I have to wonder if half the used stuff one sees is "fake".:crash:

I wouldny pay more for it. Sometimes it can look nice, but most examples i see are just extreme and over the top use of drilling.
Its like im looking at a pepperoni pizza.

That actually looks like it was well thought-out. The few times I've done it, I've indexed the holes off the chainring teeth to get even spacing, but your example is done so that there's always a hole directly above the spider, and the holes leading down toward the mounting bolts follow smoothly from the outer holes. It even looks like there's a bit of a chamfer on the holes, which adds appeal IMO.

Mixed drillum bag here...got an idea to paint detail inside of my milled SR shifters though from one photo.

drillium images

So this is the bike I was considering...especially love the brakes.

Bici da corsa vintage Marastoni race bicycle campagnolo old bicicletta epoca | eBay

Big detractor of value for me.

Wow nice looking bike, mid 70's? Paint is bright and striking combination is it original? Yeah it's only a chainring with Drillum not like it's the drop outs or anything no big deal and not a bad job.

It's late 60s, repaint.

I like it, but the one I'm getting is, IMO, considerably nicer.

To each his own but I agree this looks pretty amateur/hacked. I'm in the camp
Of that it detracts from the value for sure.

Yeah I was going to say early 70's actually, but well obviously a custom color, and wouldn't appeal to everyone. Seems like a decent repaint but still a repaint. I'll take an original paint with a few chips and faded decals usually over a repaint.

Again Factory is always better but who cares on drillum of minor parts? especially if it is a good job. Yeah I don't like that front derailer much either but how much is a NR front derailer anyway? Not that much. Replace a chainring so what, I start thinking about it on crankarms, brakes, rear derailer, seat post because why do a seatpost and brake levers if nice and done wrong.

Semantics?

I think therein is the confusion of what defines drilling - machining / coined drillium. Doesn't matter where or who did it, its mostly a machined process. Some of it done virtually the same as a good homegrown machinist, I happen to reference Zeus as an example. Of course there were well recognized OEM's who supplied as part of a group spec and or could acquire as factory 'aftermarket'. Do you dispute this?

Wolfrider was asking how to determine what is factory. I would think best reference is Velobase. That said, there's home shop work ranging from poor to absolute perfection.

Then the term aftermarket came up. Aftermarket meaning from where? Ebay and offerings by a machinist OR original factory offerings? One needs to examine closely and compare to the catalogs. There were also 'aftermarket' less known companies that some may think its a home shop type job. Consider Swiss company ICS. They would acquire Campy parts and do their own rework creativity.

Like the new found drillium parts on ebay NOS - pantographed offerings are rather telling. I wouldn't call them fake but the panto work not done as a genuine factory offering. Again, it takes a bit of research and keen eye. I like some of the newly done vintage parts.

I feel the same way. This was such a goofy trend, imo. It removed a totally inconsequential amount of weight, while at the same time greatly weakening the structure of the part. Ridiculous.

Done well, I'm a big fan of the look of a drillium chainring. The example here I don't like, due to the "extra" holes that aren't part of the circle. Weight isn't part of the equation for me here, as differences on this scale (ha!) are irrelevant; unless we're talking ounces (pounds?) it won't make any difference to me.

In answer to the question: Yes, I'd be inclined to pay a bit more for a nice drillium part. If it's poorly done the value drops to zero in my world. All about aesthetics here.

This crankset is not for the older man who is trying to recreate something ORIGINAL that he always wanted and say "i finally got it after 4 decades!". this is for the person who is actually riding and getting a good deal on a very good crankset."DONT BE AFRAID TO STEP OUT OF THE BOX!" If you fall down and break your hip it just means your rode to the very end of your life! That is called passion!!

the drilling is done for function and weight reduction. if drilling is
slightly off a rider would never be ble to feel it. you ride a bike with
your legs, not your eyes.
noone has ever won a Tour De France using their
eyes. this is not for old men trying to create a museum type bike that they
always wanted.
this is for a person to need to reduce weight and to be
FAST!

Is he still around?

This thread reminds me of the Huret Jubilee I filed drilled and polished bitd. As I remember it survived a couple easy rides and then wadded itself up like a cheap coke can.

Those were the days.... :p

Uhmmmm...... The 104 and 105 "bis" cranksets from Stronglight did come from the factory with drilliumed rings...... Sugino Super Maxy cranksets were also sold in versions with drilled rings....

WRT to the bike in question, I don't mind the chainring work but the derailleur does not look good.

However, that is the extent of the work and the rest of the bike is cool. Braze on mount brakes? That is radical. It's a very pretty bike with some cool bits, bar, stem and pedals are all pretty cool pieces.

So to sum it up, the front derailleur is devalued for me, but it's pretty insignificant to the overall value of the bike.

Dilling out such a minimalist derailleur like a Huret Jubilee is not the best idea to start with. It would have been a more fruitful exercise if you started out with a more robust RD like a Nuovo Record of even a Simplex SLJ. RDs that can losing more aluminum than a Huret Jubilee....

Ya think!

Such logic doesn't really come in to play when your barely 13, and are just positive that just a couple more grams off will make you the fastest thing around. :rolleyes:

Agree with you, and I'm not passing because of the drillium. I like it very much, but I like the one offered more.

What? Do you mean I am not around!?

That is a question for the grey bearded men and their wives who do not go FAST.


I did a quick search to find those quotes- and everything from his horrifying bike parts to his poor Nazi stuff... was all from around that few month time period.

I seem to recall there was something about a fight at a reenactor event. Maybe he's in the pokey.

...Who is this? I suspect there is some hilarity to be found here.
(Why do I feel like I just heard about a multi-car pileup on the radio and am adjusting my route to take a look?)