Frame pumps,???
 

Looking at the floor pump thread and building up my Pro tour I would like to have a good to better frame pump. I would like a full length pump that would have a small removable hose.
So what is out there?
I plan on mounting it along the seat tube because there is no water bottle mount on the seat tube.

Forget the hose. That's just a failure point with no positive qualities. IMHO the Zefal HPX is the best frame pump ever. However, I am still partial to the old Silca pumps (must have a metal Campy head!) and Silca has a new improved frame pump out...won't match your bike though like the old Silcas.

No problems with the built in hose on my Topeak Race Rocket HP mini pump. I like it so well I normally use it to get a tire started from completely deflated, in preference to my floor pump. I'm planning to get the nearly identical Race Rocket MT for my lower pressure tires. But I usually take all my stealable accessories with me when parking and locking the bike, so the mini pumps suit me better ow.

The threaded pump head is less fussy than most clamp on heads that require mashing a tight rubber seal over the valve threads. I'd rather have had something like the longer Topeak Race Rocket HPX years ago than my classic Zefal pump. No worries about stressing the valve stem while pumping up to or near full pressure.

I agree with davester, forget a hose. It's just more to go wrong.

I, to, had a Silca Impero frame pump back in the day with the Campy head. Great pumps but things have improved over the plastic Impero. The new Silca frame pumps are great but VERY expensive.

I bought the new Silca pocket pump and love it (less expensive but still not cheap); however, my standby pump is the Zefal HPX frame pump. It's rugged, inexpensive, is good enough to use every day, fits snug to the frame and will pump a tire quickly beyond 100 psi. You can't ask more of a pump. Read, this pump really works...no bull.

I have the new one but also had one a long time ago and it was my main pumping pump for quite a few years.

This is what I have:

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I own two Zefal HP-X pumps, a Zefal FP, and a Silca Impero with a Campy head. The Zefal HP-X pumps are by far the most functional, but the Impero with the Campy head looks the best.

Do you plan to install the pump under the top tube or along the seat tube? Most newer bikes do not have the nub on the head tube for a top tube mounting. All I have are the vintage Silcas and I mount them under the top tube using the head tube nub.

The new Silca looks uber cool but is awfully expensive. Hmmm.

Silca frame pumps weighed a whole lot less than a Zefal did, and that's mostly why they got used. Also they were frame fitting before Zefal offered that feature with the HP-X. They pumped up your tires a bit faster too, but more coordination and arm strength was required. Campy metal heads were pretty much required. The campy plastic heads were OK but the silca plastic heads sucked. I wish I still had my old Silca but it got stolen at some point. I do have the Zefal HP I've had since I was like 12, and I concur, functionally the Zefal pumps are better. Dead reliable and easy to pump. HP was the same as HPX but not frame fitting.

Along seat tube was more or less standard, but along top tube also was popular. The latter requires some sort of strap or else the pump flies out when you hit a bump.

+1 Its small enough to fit in my one and only road kit that straps under the seat of every bike I ride. I've used mine, hose and all, a few times in the wild and it's worked just great. Easy to use and brings the tire up to working pressure in about 2 minutes. I've noticed Lezyne has a similar pump - hose and all. good feature and reliable.

I have two Silca's of different length for different frame sizes. I do not have a problem with mounting on the TT as the spring is compressed about 1/3 of the total spring displacement limit. It does rattle upon occasion though. One is Campy head and the other is Silca. They both work and are still serviceable.

Now that I think of it, I also have a Zefel but have not used it.

Back to the future. The old Zefal solibloc pumps had hoses. Those were the cheap ones if you didn't want to spring for an HP or silca...

I have a Lezyne road drive with the little hose and it works fine, but they aren't necessary with a full size frame pump. A real frame pump will pump the tires up like 10x faster than a mini pump. A Silca or Zefal HP is practical for day to day use, but mini pumps are really only OK for flats on the road.

I understand that with a well compressed spring it's pretty secure and works for you, but I still recommend that a strap always be used with a TT mounted frame pump, as a precaution. They really can fly off.

I like the HPx too and have a few. A couple of them have lost the lock feature although they still work fine. Anyone know if that is serviceable? I don't see an obvious way to disassemble the handle.

I lost a pump and nearly lost a rear wheel when mine popped from bunnyhopping a speed bump. I even had a pump peg on the head tube. I always strap TT mounted pumps now. I prefer seat tube or seat stay mounted.

I love my Zefal HPs with their frame-mounted stop. I found some NIB but gasket blown pumps for cheap on eBay. Ordered replacement gaskets direct from Zefal in France and they are now truly NIB.

If you feel you have to have a old classic pump for your old classic bike, fine.
I've seen enough frames, including my own that get buggered up from a frame pump - they eventually ding up your paint.
Even the strap will mar your paint over time.
Its kinda funny here, the resistance to go Co2. Its simple and its fast. One tube, two (threaded) 16g co2's and your multi tool will fit in one jersey pocket (in a zip loc bag to keep your jersey clean:D).
Its so easy a cave man can do it.

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Have a Zéfal HPX 2, a HPX 3, and a HPX 4. However, my current favourite is the Park Tools PMP-5. Despite that it demands a trick or two more before it is ready to pump. Especially when you need to top the inner tube up to a high pressure, it really works well to have a real handle for the pumping.

Also, fits all sizes of frames.

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1. Many of us are notorious cheapskates. We even patch our tubes a few times before throwing them out.

2. Many of us have had the experience of lending a pump to someone who brought too few Co2 cartridges.

3. Some of us bring 2 tubes and a patch kit on our rides... and have needed all of them on occasion. This translates for us into carrying 6 cartridges. It all adds up to quite a bundle to carry in the jersey pocket.

4. Many of us would never get any upper body workout if it weren't for pumping up tires and lifting pints!

Brent

Nice GT, IJsbrand. :thumb:

Only thing I will add is it seems the seals on CO2 pump wear out faster and you end up spraying CO2 everywhere but the tire. In my 25 year road riding career I've averaged about 1 flat per year, but a couple of months ago I had a 3 flat fiasco. Because of that I got a mini pump and a couple of weeks later had another 3 flat fiasco!

The only thing I'll add is you can't fight off a 1/2 pit bull 1/2 chainsaw dog with a co2 cartridge either.

OP Was Kind of describing the Zefal Solibloc, (long, with a Hose) but those were 70s ~80s parts..

I still have the Plastic Silca Impero I got in the 80s .. chromed look matched The AlAn I had back then.

:lol: Yeah, that sort of thing did happen for sure. There was always some stubborn dog that wouldn't back off after getting a quick squirt from the water bottle.

I can absolutely attest to this happening on multiple occasions. I've rescued several damsels (and dudes) in distress who were in this predicament. They were all so impressed with my giant pump and the way that I wielded it (the damsels more so than the dudes).

Absolutely, which is why that Silca with the brass head is so nice...Thwaaacckkkk!!

The only possible way to do this with a CO2 cartridge is to emulate the original Jaws movie...throw it to the dog and hope that he bites it so it blows up in his mouth.

I use the Zefal HP where the look is needed, otherwise the Park frame pump.

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I completely disagree...the positive quality is fewer torn valve stems.