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Old 11-20-16, 10:01 AM
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$75 -- Tange OS tubing, ---- not particularly super high end, but a really nice daily driver candidate

Only problem is I don't need any more bikes, but I couldn't resist it for that price in my size

To be fair, the woman selling it sells used antiques and isn't really into bikes, but I had purchased a couple thousand bucks in merch from her to outfit my home

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I have only collected C&V for about 3 years now but patience and timing is what I see are required. I've also resigned to the fact that the days of $50 steals and dumpster finds are long gone. I scan through hundreds of junkers, decent mid-range bikes that are overpriced and top end bikes that are ridiculously priced.

Just when I think I'll never see a decent deal again, I get a 1986 Schwinn Super Sport in VGC and an awesome 1985 Raleigh Prestige, each <$200 and both within 60 days of each other. Fast forward a couple of months and I happen upon a Schwinn Circuit on CL that's an even better deal. If I was actively looking to buy, I would have gotten really frustrated long ago. But when these deals just sort of pop up, the thrill of the hunt stays fun for me.
In the past year, I picked up a 1982 Trek 720 for $50, a Follis 172 (uncertain of the year) for $35 (double butted Reynolds main triangle), a 1982 motobecane grand record with 2 sets of wheels for $50, a pristine 1984 Trek 400 for $75, a mixte peugeot UO series bike with fenders, a rack and a generator (looks like a UO 9) for $45, and a bianchi equinox (cross bike) with full suntour grease guard group for $100.

Of course I have to buy them cheap cause they ain't worth a lot here either, lol.

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Old 11-20-16, 10:23 AM
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I was very, very lucky with my last two finds both in terms of cost and bike quality but those were not as a result of me searching rather friends hearing about them and facilitating. I cannot believe how lucky I was and I now have no need to find anything new for a good while. So yes, there are great deals to be had even in the NYC area but good fortune and others' eyes play a big part. Several projects are now in waiting and in progress.
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our local Frankenbike meet has gone out of sight.
LBS set up gazebos and even bring new retail bikes.
It's become the place to be and a destination for group rides.
You can still find a working bike - my buddy bought his daughter a weathered '85 Shogun for $100 for her to rebuild - kind of bike school - and it came out gorgeous.
But prices on good frames and parts are now are closer to ebay prices than flea market prices.

All that said, there are a lot of good frames available, especially Italian.

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Originally Posted by bulldog1935 View Post

All that said, there are a lot of good frames available, especially Italian.
IMO prices on Italian racing frames are still a bargain and sell for a small fraction of their original real cost. Maybe not as cheap as 10 years ago but still cheap. Vintage road bikes in general are inexpensive, and the higher up you go on the food chain the cheaper they are, relatively.

Vintage upper shelf MTB - I see very few and the asking prices are very high.
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I just want to clarify that I am not talking about trying to get bikes for a song. Looking at what I have bought these last few years, I've gotten a total of 41 bikes and the average cost has been $528 each. The most common price I pay for a bike is $650, which isn't exactly a freebie amount. I think I pay pretty good money for what I get. At 650, I'm getting an Italian make in good to excellent condition with campy Athena or chorus or shimano 600. I'm basically in at that price all day. Thing is, I'm now seeing that bike going for 900 to 1250 locally, whereas in the past they were quite common in the 600 to 700 range.
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Old 11-20-16, 11:09 AM
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We only have ourselves to blame. Kind of like OPEC, it would be those that collect who decide when to let a few go to the market. Locally, I see BMX collectors being more aggressive on CL.
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Are they selling for that amount, or just listed for that?
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Originally Posted by armstrong101 View Post
I just want to clarify that I am not talking about trying to get bikes for a song. .
I think in my area, I most likely comprise at least 25 - 30% of the high end semi-vintage bicycle market -- LOL (but I still look for stuff for a song as well ) - My focus - if anyone could ever call it focus -- is mid 80's to mid 90's machinery , but I keep an eye out for older stuff ---- its just not out there in Oklahoma in any quantity
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Old 11-20-16, 12:25 PM
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Vintage road bicycles have soared in price, from ten years ago, however...

Recently, I think that Erotica (not a misspelling) has impacted the USA in a very positive manner. Higher end bikes are commanding more and lower end, even entry level, bikes are showing up on Ebay, which, in my opinion, is a pretty good place to start looking at trends. Pretty soon, you will be paying more for a vintage Huffy. My opinion, of course.
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I think you have to make the distinction between the price between the end buyer and the price payed by the person/flipper trying to make a profit selling to the end buyer. The price for a ready to ride/mint/overhauled mid to high level bike is about the same. The price for the same bike, found as a deal/barn/flea market that needs work however, is rising every day closer to the price of the finished product. So, if you are doing it as a business/profit generating venture, then it might be getting tough. For those just buying the finished product the prices remain about the same.
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Originally Posted by satbuilder View Post
Are they selling for that amount, or just listed for that?
Listed. Which I realize doesn't mean sales. But in the past, you'd have these bikes listed at 650-700, and they weren't really moving much at that price (which made it easy for me cause I was in at that price). I just don't see them listed at that price any more.
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For example, this weekend I acquired a 1984 Lotus Legend Compe for $150. Columbus tubing and Campy equiped. The only year it was available with that combo. Sounds great right? Problem is, it is missing some of those Campy parts. Looking at ebay, it is going to be about $200 to replace those parts immediately. In fact, someone had turned it into what I call a "Hobo commuter." The person I bought it from appears to be a new DKO flipper and didn't know what he bought. I will take the remaining Campy off and slowly acquire the missing parts. On will go a good period/level group and I will ride it like I stole it! In the end it will cost about the same or a little less than buying the finished product up front. If I were trying to make a profit, it's doubtful I would have responded to the ad.
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I think you have to make the distinction between the price between the end buyer and the price payed by the person/flipper trying to make a profit selling to the end buyer. The price for a ready to ride/mint/overhauled mid to high level bike is about the same. The price for the same bike, found as a deal/barn/flea market that needs work however, is rising every day closer to the price of the finished product. So, if you are doing it as a business/profit generating venture, then it might be getting tough. For those just buying the finished product the prices remain about the same.
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Old 11-21-16, 01:41 PM
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Lower-to-mid-level road bikes are around, but I've never come across high end bikes at things like yard sales, let alone at bargain prices. CL seems populated either by junk or flippers. Bike donation programs sometimes get the better bikes, from people who can afford to give them away. Since there was a mountain bike boom after the 10-speed boom, I expect as time goes by we'll see more 26" rigid MTB's than anything else.
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It seems like the best time to buy classic bikes in Atlanta is the colder winter months. Things should start popping up on CL soon. I like bikes with stuck pedals & stuck seatposts. They go pretty cheap. And so far, my BFV hasn't lost a battle yet.
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It's tough to tell what really goes up in the mid range as some are sought after, some not so much, some not well known etc. Thats why there are some crazy high listings by someone that found a "campagnolo" bike. And on the other hand, some are cheap if they are not known by an individual. Overall, I expect nice, clean, high end steel to retain or increase and it seems it has to a point.

The Internet has made it much easier to know what you have so many dive in and use the info they want to try and price it. But even places like here have an affect. I would say negative at times though. Guilty myself of this in the past, but we do a new post and it gets views and then say, I paid $100 so we all look for best scores and promote it online. But few know how much you looked or how much knowledge it takes to find some of those deals so they expect you to charge them low prices. On the other hand, the influence of the best bike lists adds to value in some ways.
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I was pretty into finding good deals the last year or so and flipping, but most of this year I see a lot of bikes just sit on CL. Not bad prices most of the time, but not screaming deals either - probably about where I would price them to sell. I have a nice Miyata Seven 21 to post up and am hoping it will sell. wrk101 does get a lot of great finds!
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It seems to me CL sellers are looking to get Ebay prices.
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I'm going to say that in my local parts (Southern Ontario), asking prices on Kijiji for C&V is definitely higher now than a couple years ago when I started paying attention. I don't know if sell-through prices are higher, but I do notice that a few "notable" bikes that have been listed for >1 year locally at fixed prices, are gone.

First, some current listing data points. Take them with a big grain of salt. Prices in CDN. For USD, figure about 80% of that price (so 1000 cdn = 800 usd)

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-road-bike/ci...ike/1288370314
Just listed recently. I doubt it will sell at that price, but I don't think 3-4 years ago, anyone would list that asking for that bike.

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-road-bike/ci...ped/1288288084
That "shouldn't" sell at that price either. But 3 years ago, I doubt anyone would list that at 1200. Three years ago there was an OK condition white De Rosa listed at 1200 that wasn't moving.

Bikes that have disappeared after being listed for ages. 3 Pinarellos.

1. A 56 cm Italian-ice paint job Cromor bike. Perfect condition pantographed Chorus components. IIRC price was 1250. Sat there for at least a year. Gone now. Sold?
2. A 48 cm same Italian-ice paint job, cromor bike. 105 (1055) components with campy headset (so non original components). Seemed to be alright condition. Sat locally for 920 before price lowered to 850 for several months. Now gone. Sold?
3. A 54 cm? blue lower-end Pinarello in excellent condition. Vintage 105 (grey 7 speed group). Aelle tretubi tubing IIRC. Sat at 800 for at least a year. Gone now. Sold?

I just recall these 3 "notable" bikes as being nice Pinarellos available any time, but at not-moving prices. The fact they are all gone suggest to me they were sold, and "probably" sold at/close to their asking since they were listed for so long and hence, were probably listed at firmish prices.

YMMV.
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Even though I have found and bought a lot(hundreds) of vintage road bikes out of Thunder Bay, a city with a population of 120,00, there are still lots left and a very low prices. Sadly, a lot of those bikes rarely hit the on-line pages of Ebay, Craigslist or Kijiji.

If you want to, with a fair level of consistency, find vintage road bikes at a decent price, you will do much better by searching in the field. A few days ago, these guys showed up for considerably less than a half box of beer each and had to fit them both into the car, along with the baby seat...



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Originally Posted by CampioneDItalia View Post
I'm going to say that in my local parts (Southern Ontario), asking prices on Kijiji for C&V is definitely higher now than a couple years ago when I started paying attention. I don't know if sell-through prices are higher, but I do notice that a few "notable" bikes that have been listed for >1 year locally at fixed prices, are gone.

First, some current listing data points. Take them with a big grain of salt. Prices in CDN. For USD, figure about 80% of that price (so 1000 cdn = 800 usd)

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-road-bike/ci...ike/1288370314
Just listed recently. I doubt it will sell at that price, but I don't think 3-4 years ago, anyone would list that asking for that bike.

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-road-bike/ci...ped/1288288084
That "shouldn't" sell at that price either. But 3 years ago, I doubt anyone would list that at 1200. Three years ago there was an OK condition white De Rosa listed at 1200 that wasn't moving.

Bikes that have disappeared after being listed for ages. 3 Pinarellos.

1. A 56 cm Italian-ice paint job Cromor bike. Perfect condition pantographed Chorus components. IIRC price was 1250. Sat there for at least a year. Gone now. Sold?
2. A 48 cm same Italian-ice paint job, cromor bike. 105 (1055) components with campy headset (so non original components). Seemed to be alright condition. Sat locally for 920 before price lowered to 850 for several months. Now gone. Sold?
3. A 54 cm? blue lower-end Pinarello in excellent condition. Vintage 105 (grey 7 speed group). Aelle tretubi tubing IIRC. Sat at 800 for at least a year. Gone now. Sold?

I just recall these 3 "notable" bikes as being nice Pinarellos available any time, but at not-moving prices. The fact they are all gone suggest to me they were sold, and "probably" sold at/close to their asking since they were listed for so long and hence, were probably listed at firmish prices.

YMMV.
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