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Old 11-24-16, 04:41 PM
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Race geometry + fenders + downtube stops?

Been a few years since I've posted, but it's good to see a lot of the same names still here almost 5 years later.

I'm in the market for a new bike and instead of picking up what is cheap on Craigslist, it'd be good to get something closer to my 'ideal'. Right now that'd be:
  • Racing/sporty geometry
  • Fancy steel (531db, SLX, Tange #1...)
  • Fender eyelets + allowances
  • Downtube stops [edit - braze-ons, either shifter mounts or cable stops]
  • (sloping fork crown, if I'm being picky)

So does this combo actually exist on any commercial stock model?

The mid-70's Raleigh Pros hit 3/4 of these, as does my '79 Trek 730, but neither have downtube stops. By the time downtube stops became standard, it seems that fender eyelets and allowances went away. Is there a magic cross-over point where some maker had all of these on a racing bike?

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Old 11-24-16, 04:53 PM
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What do you mean by stops? Are you referring to the brazed bosses that downtube shifters screw into, or do you mean the ridge that keeps clamp-on downtube shifters from sliding?
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Old 11-24-16, 05:04 PM
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Portland Design Works makes nice full-coverage metal fenders that fit most road bikes.
There are also a few choices on axle end fender eyelet attachments - PDW offers these and Axiom are also very nice.


(sounds like DT braze-ons)
Here's the Shimano derailleur cable stop I've use on my Raleighs in place of a DT-shifter band

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Old 11-24-16, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by USAZorro View Post
What do you mean by stops? Are you referring to the brazed bosses that downtube shifters screw into, or do you mean the ridge that keeps clamp-on downtube shifters from sliding?
The former - braze-on bosses to screw shifters into or at least cable stops. *Not* the nub that keeps clamp-on shifters from sliding.
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Old 11-24-16, 05:29 PM
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The Soma ES is a modern bike that has eyelets and room for fenders. So does the Gunnar sport.
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Old 11-24-16, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
The Soma ES is a modern bike that has eyelets and room for fenders. So does the Gunnar sport.
Yep, the Soma ES with 130 rear spacing, a full set of braze-ons and a stiffer 1 1/8" threadless steerer for the price of a good quality C&V frameset.

The Stanyan fully lugged Prestige model is being re-introduced, a modern interpenetration of exactly what you are asking for.

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Old 11-24-16, 05:44 PM
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I don't know, most full on race bikes didn't come with eyelets in the 80's. Tange 2 is only like 2 ounces heaver than Tange 1. Some good frames made from it.

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The Gunnar and Soma are both great choices.
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Like other posters, I haven't seen very many top-tier frames with fender eyelets. You might keep an eye open for Japanese-made Bianchi frames though, I've got a Limited made of Ishiwata 022 tubing and it's a rocket, my preferred bike for fast group rides. I actually like it even more than the 531c and Tange 1 -framed bikes in my stable.

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I picked up a 1985 Ross Signature 294S recently, precisely because it hits all your criteria. It is Ishiwata 024 and feels very quick.

The other frame I have owned that was similarly spec'd was one of the production frames from RRB.
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My 1978 Trek TX700 has all that. I believe you could order the frame with whatever you wanted on it at that time. I have a bit of an oddball 1985 Trek with those features and I managed to cram fenders around the 700-25 tires with some cutting. I'll jump on the Soma ES bandwagon too. I like mine. It's a great do everything bike.
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Lots of late 80's, even 90's Miyatas had them, really lots of bikes did.

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It sounds like many 60s/early 70s Italian would be perfect except for the DT stops.

Lots of other options...Rivendell obviously, Raleigh international, some Miyata 9 series, lotus legends.

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Lots of late 80's, even 90's Miyatas had them, really lots of bikes did.

Even some 9 level had eyelets.
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Originally Posted by lasauge View Post
Like other posters, I haven't seen very many top-tier frames with fender eyelets. You might keep an eye open for Japanese-made Bianchi frames though, I've got a Limited made of Ishiwata 022 tubing and it's a rocket, my preferred bike for fast group rides.
From personal experience, I can +1 that rec. But (on my 1982 Limited, at least) 700x28 are the largest tires you will ever fit under fenders.



(You'll be tempted to have a custom integrated rack fabricated, too, on that frame)
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1983 and newer Specialized Sequoia covers all those bases and looks pretty slick.
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Originally Posted by gorillagirl View Post
1983 and newer Specialized Sequoia covers all those bases and looks pretty slick.
Great knowledge do you pass!

The Sequoia was a rare bird. A sports/touring bike with a quality frame and class a parts hanging off it. However, good luck tracking one down.

@bikemig started this awesome thread extolling the virtues of the sport tourers. https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...g-bicycle.html

The problem with the sport tourer concept is that it's neither fish nor fowl. So if it wasn't a racer, and it wasn't a tourer- it must be a beginner bike.

My 86 Trek 400 Elance is my most aggressively angled bike. The frame is a 531 main triangle with CrMo fork and stays. I've spent the past 5 years or so replacing all the mid-level components with some pretty class A stuff.







So, rolling along those lines the 82/83 Trek 700 kind of fits the bill...
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1983 and newer Specialized Sequoia covers all those bases and looks pretty slick.
The '87-90 Sirrus was the exact same frame as the Allez except for fender mounts.

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You could look for a '93-'94 Bstone RB1. IIRC they'll take fenders.
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Raleigh Comp. GS ticks all the boxes. Or go big with a Hetchins, most are configured in just such a way.
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I am puzzled by this, since I have three frames that fit this description. Two have cable stops on the down tube, a feature I'm not very fond of, preferring the option of down tube shifters.

But now that I think about it, the few frames I've seen that came this way stock, were from the early 60's. My Allegro comes to mind. @nlerner had an Armstrong Moth that was similar. There are others.
The early fashion for bar end shifters didn't catch on, so after that bikes had clamp-on shifters on the down tube. The other two I have are from the late 70s and are somewhat custom or customized.
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Gazelle Champion Mondial A frame would be my choice. This is the 1981 model:

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Miki also made some nice frames in the early eighties that might fit the bill.

Stateside you may want to have a look at Sekai's offerings from that era, like the 5000.

Here in Holland they supplied frames to Union. I'm not sure of the tubing on these, but a 26.8mm seat post suggests something decent. Build quality is excellent. As it happens I'm currently building up the lavender-colored frame in the background, as it's tall and short. The only (small) drawback on this particular frame are the proprietary Shimano braze-ons for the DT shifters.

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For new I would suggest the Black Mountain Cycles road frame. Has what you are asking for.

If I recall correctly, some of the Bridgestone RB-1's had these features.
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For new I would suggest the Black Mountain Cycles road frame. Has what you are asking for.
+1

They ride great and are well built.
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1997 Lemond Alpe d'Huez for fender eyelets, good steel (Tru Temper), Racey geo, down tube bosses, not sure how wide you can go with tires but they do make great 650b conversions.

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