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WTB: 126mm road bike freewheel wheelset

I am building up an old Atala into a 5-speed with rear derailleur only. I am looking for a pair of silver 126mm wheels for this project. I see that Velomine has a set of Sun M13II rims laced to Quanta hubs for a very affordable price of $119, but I want to see what's available from members first. The Velomine link is below in case any one is interested.

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Meh: a few years back, in a complicated parts swap with a bike shop, I found that I now owned a 10 pound bin of new Quanta hubs. They were cheap and poorly set up. Plus the single rubber seal in the cartridge bearing that faces the outside world is totally inadequate to keep grime and water out. Plus they had (inferior) cartridge bearing design, relative to a Campagnolo or Shimano sealed loose-ball design.

126mm freewheel wheelsets are everywhere, and cheap. The most I've ever paid was $100 for a new set with C-Record hubs.

Keep looking.
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Originally Posted by Dave Mayer View Post
Meh: a few years back, in a complicated parts swap with a bike shop, I found that I now owned a 10 pound bin of new Quanta hubs. They were cheap and poorly set up. Plus the single rubber seal in the cartridge bearing that faces the outside world is totally inadequate to keep grime and water out. Plus they had (inferior) cartridge bearing design, relative to a Campagnolo or Shimano sealed loose-ball design.

126mm freewheel wheelsets are everywhere, and cheap. The most I've ever paid was $100 for a new set with C-Record hubs.

Keep looking.
Thanks for that, Dave! I would love C-Record hubs as that is what this bike came with originally. I also forgot to specific that I am looking for clinchers.
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Originally Posted by Dave Mayer View Post
Meh: a few years back, in a complicated parts swap with a bike shop, I found that I now owned a 10 pound bin of new Quanta hubs. They were cheap and poorly set up. Plus the single rubber seal in the cartridge bearing that faces the outside world is totally inadequate to keep grime and water out. Plus they had (inferior) cartridge bearing design, relative to a Campagnolo or Shimano sealed loose-ball design.

126mm freewheel wheelsets are everywhere, and cheap. The most I've ever paid was $100 for a new set with C-Record hubs.

Keep looking.
Are you saying that cartridge bearings hubs are inferior to loose ball in general or specifically Quanta hubs are inferior?
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Craigslist can be a good source of inexpensive wheels.
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Craigslist can be a good source of inexpensive wheels.
I've been scouring every day. The last set I purchased came off CL.
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I've been scouring every day. The last set I purchased came off CL.
Put out a WTB ad on CL; stuff is likely to show up. Plus saves on shipping.
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Put out a WTB ad on CL; stuff is likely to show up. Plus saves on shipping.
Great idea. Will do.
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Are you saying that cartridge bearings hubs are inferior to loose ball in general or specifically Quanta hubs are inferior?
Both. My 10-pound bin of these got dumped in the ocean.

As far as freewheel hub design, the best for longevity and ease of maintenance are the unsealed Campy Record hubs from the 70s-80s, with the grease injection ports at the sides and in the middle. After each wet ride, inject a little fresh grease, wipe up the contaminated grease that oozes out, and they are good as new. 5-minute maintenance.

Honorable mention: Dura-Ace freewheel hubs from the 80s. They have grease injection ports at the sides, and they are made to a very high standard.

With cartridge bearing hubs, especially ones with an inadequate single rubber 'air dam' seal, the bearings will be shot after a hard year, and with parts and labor, you'll be paying more than the cost of the wheels to have the cartridges replaced. If you can actually get them out, because they'll be seized-up (corroded) into the hub shells. And if you can actually convince a shop to track down the bearings, and then get up enough motivation to replace them for you. More profit if you just buy new wheels.
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Both. My 10-pound bin of these got dumped in the ocean.

As far as freewheel hub design, the best for longevity and ease of maintenance are the unsealed Campy Record hubs from the 70s-80s, with the grease injection ports at the sides and in the middle. After each wet ride, inject a little fresh grease, wipe up the contaminated grease that oozes out, and they are good as new. 5-minute maintenance.

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Suntour had excellent grease guard hubs as well. I'm sitting on 2 pairs; they're beautiful. I think they're a WTB design.
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^That's a little harsh in my experience. I like cartridge bearing hubs for some bikes, like the ones I gave my kids in college who don't do any maintenance and have to park their bikes outside in the rain and snow. The hubs I use take standard size bearings that are easily sourced on-line for little money and they tend to last quite a while. Best of all, if they do go bad, I can just pull the bearings and install new ones and the wheel rolls like new. Unless you have a stock of old cups and cones it's new hub time at that point. Are they as nice as Campy or DA? Of course not but these bikes are commuters and have a rough life. Not having to worry about the hubs on each bike every 6-12 months makes my life quite a bit simpler.

To the OP...I probably have a few sets of wheels that would work for you but I'd guess shipping from CO to CA would run $40 or more so I'd look locally first. I'd bet someone will respond to WTB ad that is local and that would probably cut the net cost in half.

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Suntour had excellent grease guard hubs as well. I'm sitting on 2 pairs; they're beautiful. I think they're a WTB design.
Right - I have a stash of Suntour Grease Guard hubs, both in wheels and in boxes. And headsets and bottom brackets. Excellent concept and execution. However, I have seen a lot of these ruined, as apart from myself, I don't know anyone who actually used the grease injection feature. Sometimes I've been able to punch the ruined carts out, sometimes not.

I think this is why the grease injection features were abandoned by manufacturers - no upside:
  • It was more expensive to implement
  • The risk of surplus grease being dribbled out onto some Yuppies carpet
  • It detracted from maintenance opportunities for shops,
  • And in the end, nobody used it.
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Right - I have a stash of Suntour Grease Guard hubs, both in wheels and in boxes. And headsets and bottom brackets. Excellent concept and execution. However, I have seen a lot of these ruined, as apart from myself, I don't know anyone who actually used the grease injection feature. Sometimes I've been able to punch the ruined carts out, sometimes not.

I think this is why the grease injection features were abandoned by manufacturers - no upside:
  • It was more expensive to implement
  • The risk of surplus grease being dribbled out onto some Yuppies carpet
  • It detracted from maintenance opportunities for shops,
  • And in the end, nobody used it.
Easy peasy to use; I like them a lot. You have boxes of this stuff? Dang, they're not that easy to find.
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Easy peasy to use; I like them a lot. You have boxes of this stuff? Dang, they're not that easy to find.
Not in 1994 - you couldn't give them away.
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Originally Posted by Dave Mayer View Post
Both. My 10-pound bin of these got dumped in the ocean.

As far as freewheel hub design, the best for longevity and ease of maintenance are the unsealed Campy Record hubs from the 70s-80s, with the grease injection ports at the sides and in the middle. After each wet ride, inject a little fresh grease, wipe up the contaminated grease that oozes out, and they are good as new. 5-minute maintenance.

Honorable mention: Dura-Ace freewheel hubs from the 80s. They have grease injection ports at the sides, and they are made to a very high standard.

With cartridge bearing hubs, especially ones with an inadequate single rubber 'air dam' seal, the bearings will be shot after a hard year, and with parts and labor, you'll be paying more than the cost of the wheels to have the cartridges replaced. If you can actually get them out, because they'll be seized-up (corroded) into the hub shells. And if you can actually convince a shop to track down the bearings, and then get up enough motivation to replace them for you. More profit if you just buy new wheels.
Not sure what cartridge bearing hubs you have experienced but the majority of them, even many of the cheap ones, are very long lasting. I work with a lot of used hubs in my bike shop and never have seen a cartridge "corroded" to the hub. The majority of them are also extremely cheap and I would never advise a customer to buy a whole new wheel because the bearings are shot, unless the hub itself is damaged.

As much as I enjoy working with loose ball hubs, the simple fact is that cartridges take less maintenance and usually last longer.

EDIT: Also confused about what you said about getting high end wheelsets for under a $100. New - definitely not, unless you get the lowest of the low Wheelmaster build. C Record hubs - also definitely not. The lowest I see those on the bay for is $250, and that's with heavily used rims.

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Not sure what cartridge bearing hubs you have experienced but the majority of them, even many of the cheap ones, are very long lasting. I work with a lot of used hubs in my bike shop and never have seen a cartridge "corroded" to the hub. The majority of them are also extremely cheap and I would never advise a customer to buy a whole new wheel because the bearings are shot, unless the hub itself is damaged.

As much as I enjoy working with loose ball hubs, the simple fact is that cartridges take less maintenance and usually last longer.

EDIT: Also confused about what you said about getting high end wheelsets for under a $100. New - definitely not, unless you get the lowest of the low Wheelmaster build. C Record hubs - also definitely not. The lowest I see those on the bay for is $250, and that's with heavily used rims.
Yes I was also surprised at that price. All the C Record hubs on CL around here are averaging $200.

I did see a set of Sun MII13 rims laced to Origin8 sealed hubs on feeBay for $133 and those might be what I end up with.
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Plus the single rubber seal in the cartridge bearing that faces the outside world is totally inadequate to keep grime and water out.
Yeah, my first thought about those wheels was "You don't usually see cartridge bearing seals like that. In fact, you don't usually see the bearings at all."

As for cartridge bearings in general, I like them. I had a pair of SRAM X.9 hubs with cartridge bearings that spun smoothly through 5+ years of use on my commuter bike and saw a lot of rain. They were still spinning like new when the rear rim split. I built them into a new set of wheels and passed them on to a friend.

I've got a set of wheels now with Origin8/Formula cartridge hubs. I don't have enough miles on them to say how they'll hold up in the long run, but their spin is buttery smooth...as good as anything else I've used. Those came from Velomine, FWIW.

The downside to cartridge bearings is that you don't get to spend as much time with your cone wrenches.
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I am building up an old Atala into a 5-speed with rear derailleur only. I am looking for a pair of silver 126mm wheels for this project. I see that Velomine has a set of Sun M13II rims laced to Quanta hubs for a very affordable price of $119, but I want to see what's available from members first.
I bought a set of those for my Univega Viva Sport. Not the highest quality wheelset out there, but I have had no problems with them. Still true after a year of riding. I'd buy them again.
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EDIT: Also confused about what you said about getting high end wheelsets for under a $100. New - definitely not, unless you get the lowest of the low Wheelmaster build. C Record hubs - also definitely not. The lowest I see those on the bay for is $250, and that's with heavily used rims.
EDIT: I should have said most of the 126mm wheelsets that clutter up my attic were given to me for free. Paying $100 for a new set of wheels with C-Record hubs, DT Rev spokes and Campagnolo Record Pave rims came in a rare weak moment.

Tomorrow I'll be helping clean up a pal's massive bike horde. Damn: I'm sure I'll end up with another unneeded stash of wheels.

Again: keep looking around. Due to buyer on buyer competition, and persistent shill bidding, you are not going to find a bargain on Ebay. Look for ex-racers with a horde.
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Craigslist can be a good source of inexpensive wheels.
yep, looking at DA 7400 7-sp freewheel setup with FIR tubulars this week....$60
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yep, looking at DA 7400 7-sp freewheel setup with FIR tubulars this week....$60
Good. Make sure they're freewheel hubs and not the utterly orphaned Dura-Ace cassette hubs.
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Good. Make sure they're freewheel hubs and not the utterly orphaned Dura-Ace cassette hubs.
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Yeah, my first thought about those wheels was "You don't usually see cartridge bearing seals like that. In fact, you don't usually see the bearings at all."

As for cartridge bearings in general, I like them. I had a pair of SRAM X.9 hubs with cartridge bearings that spun smoothly through 5+ years of use on my commuter bike and saw a lot of rain. They were still spinning like new when the rear rim split. I built them into a new set of wheels and passed them on to a friend.

I've got a set of wheels now with Origin8/Formula cartridge hubs. I don't have enough miles on them to say how they'll hold up in the long run, but their spin is buttery smooth...as good as anything else I've used. Those came from Velomine, FWIW.

The downside to cartridge bearings is that you don't get to spend as much time with your cone wrenches.
Yeah, I'm getting out-of-practice with rebuilding loose-ball bottom brackets, too.
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